How Can Chlorine Have a Half-AMU Mass Despite Having 17 Electrons?

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The discussion revolves around the apparent half-atomic mass unit (amu) of chlorine, which is listed as 35.5 on the periodic table despite having 17 electrons. Participants explore the implications of isotopes and the contributions of electrons to atomic mass.

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  • One participant notes confusion regarding chlorine's average mass of 35.5 amu and questions how this can be reconciled with its 17 electrons.
  • Another participant explains that the average atomic mass is derived from the isotopic composition of chlorine, which includes stable isotopes of 35 amu and 37 amu in specific ratios.
  • Some participants suggest that binding energies may influence the apparent weight of an element, although there is uncertainty about the significance of this effect.
  • A participant reflects on their past confusion regarding the mass figures for small elements, emphasizing the negligible mass contribution of electrons compared to protons and neutrons.
  • There is a correction regarding the mass of electrons, with one participant stating it is approximately 1/1836 of a proton's mass, rather than 1/2500.

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Participants generally agree on the role of isotopes in determining the average atomic mass of chlorine, but there is uncertainty regarding the influence of binding energies and the exact contribution of electrons to atomic mass. The discussion remains unresolved on these points.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about the effects of binding energies and the treatment of electron mass in the context of atomic weight calculations.

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I was looking at my periodic table in Chemistry today and noticed that Chlorine's relative mass was 35.5, how can it have half an amu when it has 17 electrons? That's not 0.5amu, is it?
 
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The periodic table will give the average amu of the element in bulk from the ratio of isotopes. Chlorine has two major stable isotopes, 35 amu and 37 amu in ratios of ~75.75% and ~24.25% respectively. This gives an average weight of ~35.5.

I'm not entirely certain, but I think binding energies also play a role in the apparent weight of an element in bulk. The effect may be to small to bother considering for most purposes.
 
fedaykin said:
I'm not entirely certain, but I think binding energies also play a role in the apparent weight of an element in bulk. The effect may be to small to bother considering for most purposes.

Problem is not that the effect is too small, problem is it is masked by the fact that you have already mentiond - all elements are mixtures of isotopes.
 
I was once confused by the periodic table's amu figures for those small elements. The fact that hydrogen is [tex]\approx 1.008[/tex] made me think the electron was playing the role of that extra amu. As fedaykin said, it has to do with the isotopes (amount of neutrons present) that affects the amu of the element.
As your teacher/professor would've told you, the mass of the electron is so small compared to the proton/neutron, that it can be considered negligible. Somewhere in the range of 1/2500 mass. So one of the larger known elements, say 100 atomic number, those electrons would only add 0.04 amu to the element.
 
Mentallic said:
Somewhere in the range of 1/2500 mass.

More like 11836.
 

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