How can galxies and dwarf galaxies be made of regular AND dark matter?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of galaxies and dwarf galaxies, specifically how they can be composed of both regular matter and dark matter. Participants explore the implications of dark matter's existence, its interactions, and the theories surrounding its role in galaxy formation.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how galaxies can be made of both regular and dark matter, expressing skepticism about dark matter's existence and its role in astrophysics.
  • Another participant clarifies that both regular matter and dark matter interact through gravity, suggesting that dark matter exists in space similarly to normal matter.
  • A different participant raises concerns about whether dark matter would form clumps or maintain a uniform distribution around galaxies, questioning the strength of its gravitational effects.
  • It is proposed that early universe perturbations in dark matter density led to the formation of clumps, which later served as scaffolds for visible matter, supported by various astrophysical observations.
  • One participant expresses satisfaction with the explanation provided and inquires about the consensus on the necessity of dark matter for galaxy formation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of skepticism and curiosity regarding dark matter, with some seeking clarification on its role and others providing supportive arguments for its existence. No consensus is reached on the nature of dark matter or its implications for galaxy formation.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge gaps in understanding regarding the interactions and effects of dark matter, as well as the dependence on specific astrophysical models and observations. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainties in the field.

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If dark matter is actually there and not just some flaw in our understanding or mathematics then how can galaxies be made of both and not just one or the other. If dark matter doesn't interact with anything else like light then how can a dwarf galaxy be made of "mostly dark matter"?I know its probably just a misunderstanding of mine, but right now it really seems like dark matter is a scape goat. Do a lot of experts share this hypothesis?
What are some other reasons why physicists believe dark matter is there, other than its gravitational effects on the movement of galaxies? Or is that pretty much it? (I understand this is a big deal, ha) and finally, what are the leading theories that explain dark matter and which do you support?
 
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Both matter and dark matter interact through gravity, but neither interact with each other in any other way. So dark matter is simply there in space like normal matter is.
 
but proportional enough to form almost perfect circles around galaxies? wouldn't they just form their own random clumps? I mean they are stronger? Does that mean its strong enough so almost all matter is inside dark matter? But not strong enough to cause any negative effects? or whatever the technical term in physics is for "negative effects" is.

Its obvious that I am missing something in my understanding. Elighten? :)
 
It is thought that in the early universe small perturbation of dark matter density causes clumps to eventually form, and this is the scaffolds that visible matter adheres to later on. See e.g. this.

Here are some good readings about properties of dark matter and why most experts think they are needed [instead of say, modified gravity]. A quick answer is dark matter explanation fits well not just for galaxies rotation curve, galaxy cluster, gravitational lensing, but also the cosmic microwave background data.

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2009/10/what_is_dark_matter.php

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/10/the_status_of_dark_matter.php

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/10/a_new_test_of_dark_matter_vs_m.php

Dark Matter: Just Fine, Thanks.
 
That post clarified things perfectly for me. Is this uniformly believed? That dark matter was essential for galaxy formation? It makes perfect sense.

In science, even when you're convinced that you know the right answer, you keep testing your understanding in new ways.
-ethan siegel
I like that perfect quote.

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perfect. perfection. post perfection. infinite perfection. lol
 
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