Known properties and constraints of dark matter

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The discussion centers on the known properties and constraints of dark matter, exploring various aspects such as its interactions, density distribution, composition, and the implications of its existence. Participants express curiosity about theoretical and observational limits regarding dark matter's characteristics, including its potential interactions with ordinary matter and its behavior since the Big Bang.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the collision properties of dark matter with itself and ordinary matter, referencing the interaction cross section ##\sigma/m\le 7cm^2/g## and its implications.
  • There is uncertainty regarding whether dark matter interacts with ordinary matter via weak interactions, with some noting the lack of evidence from LHC experiments.
  • Participants propose the possibility of dark matter having multiple components, suggesting a complex dark sector.
  • Discussions include the density distribution of dark matter compared to ordinary matter, with some suggesting that dark matter halos are larger and can exhibit granularity.
  • There is a question about the current estimate of dark matter's abundance relative to ordinary matter, with some affirming the 5:1 ratio as a stable estimate.
  • Constraints on the mass ranges of dark matter, particularly regarding Massive Compact Halo Objects (MACHOs), are discussed, with references to microlensing studies.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the meaningfulness of discussing dark matter's temperature and its average kinetic energy.
  • There are inquiries about how dark matter's amount may have changed since the Big Bang, with some suggesting it may not change unless it annihilates or decays.
  • Participants question the ability to observe dark matter phases and the limitations of gravitational observations in answering these questions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on various aspects of dark matter, including its interactions, composition, and observable properties. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on several key points.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on observational data, the challenges of measuring dark matter properties, and the reliance on theoretical models that may not be universally accepted.

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I'm wondering what properties of Dark Matter are known for certain. Such as:
  • How much does it collide with itself, and with ordinary matter? What does ##\sigma/m\le 7cm^2/g## mean (and why is the estimate rising in more recent studies)? How does it compare with ordinary matter, e.g. liquid water or galaxy filled with stars?
  • Is there any evidence that DM does interact with ordinary matter via weak interaction? Is lack of DM particles in LHC a constraint on this?
  • Can it have more than 1 component?
  • How does its density distribution compare to ordinary matter? How much spherical are galactic halos, and how much bigger are they compared to ordinary matter?
  • How much of it is out there? Is the 5:1 ratio to ordinary matter still the best estimate?
  • If it's made of massive dark objects, what mass ranges are excluded?
  • If it's made of particles, what mass ranges are excluded?
  • Is anything known about its temperature?
  • How does its amount change since the Big Bang?
I'd appreciate layman answers :nb)
I can try to read some publications, but the amount of literature is overwhelming and most of it seems to be outdated.
 
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SlowThinker said:
I'm wondering what properties of Dark Matter are known for certain. Such as:
How much does it collide with itself, and with ordinary matter? What does ##\sigma/m\le 7cm^2/g## mean (and why is the estimate rising in more recent studies)? How does it compare with ordinary matter, e.g. liquid water or galaxy filled with stars?

We do not know. There are some studies that suggest that self-interacting dark matter may be preferable in terms of obtaining the correct halo density structure, but it is really not conclusive. The ##\sigma## is the size of the interaction cross section, which is essentially how likely it is that two dark matter particles collide. The ##m## is the mass of the dark matter particle. Typical ranges of the mass is in the GeV scale, which would mean that 1 cm2/g would correspond to a cross section in the range of ##10^{-28}## m2 (in very rough terms, this is the area within which the particles have to approach each other to interact).

Is there any evidence that DM does interact with ordinary matter via weak interaction? Is lack of DM particles in LHC a constraint on this?
There is no direct evidence of this. Lack of DM particles in LHC constrains such dark matter with masses below LHC energies.

Can it have more than 1 component?
Sure, there is nothing that prohibits this. There could be an entire dark sector with many types of particles.

How does its density distribution compare to ordinary matter? How much spherical are galactic halos, and how much bigger are they compared to ordinary matter?
Dark matter halos are quite spherical but can also show some granularity according to simulations. They are quite a lot bigger than the galaxies that inhabit them.

How much of it is out there? Is the 5:1 ratio to ordinary matter still the best estimate?

Yes, this does not change with time unless dark matter decays or annihilates. In many models dark matter can meet and annihilate to standard model particles, but this is a slow process. If dark matter decayed very fast there would be none left now, which places constraints on the dark matter lifetime.

If it's made of massive dark objects, what mass ranges are excluded?
You may be thinking of what is called MAssive Compact Halo Objects (MACHOs). There are quite strong constraints on such objects from microlensing studies to the extent that it is doubtful that they can constitute the dark matter.

If it's made of particles, what mass ranges are excluded?
You really cannot rule out any mass range. It depends on the other properties of the dark matter such as its interaction cross sections. The typical exclusion plot you will see will be in the mass vs cross section plane.

Is anything known about its temperature?
It is doubtful that it is meaningful to talk about a temperature in the same sense that you can talk about the temperature of the CMB.

How does its amount change since the Big Bang?
See above. It will not change unless it annihilates or decays.
 
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We might ask if it exists in phases as does ordinary matter.
 
Orodruin said:
The ##\sigma## is the size of the interaction cross section, which is essentially how likely it is that two dark matter particles collide. The ##m## is the mass of the dark matter particle. Typical ranges of the mass is in the GeV scale, which would mean that 1 cm2/g would correspond to a cross section in the range of ##10^{-28}## m2 (in very rough terms, this is the area within which the particles have to approach each other to interact).
So that is not very different from ordinary matter? How is that possible? Is it only DM-SM interaction that is negligible? Or are the bounds inaccurate to several orders of magnitude? My numbers come from http://cosmology.lbl.gov/talks/Harvey_13.pdf page 8.

Orodruin said:
Yes, this does not change with time unless dark matter decays or annihilates. In many models dark matter can meet and annihilate to standard model particles, but this is a slow process. If dark matter decayed very fast there would be none left now, which places constraints on the dark matter lifetime.
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See above. It will not change unless it annihilates or decays.
This article suggests that the amount of DM increases over time, or perhaps it takes a long time to form DM halos around galaxies. I am unable to judge the article's reliability.

Orodruin said:
You may be thinking of what is called MAssive Compact Halo Objects (MACHOs). There are quite strong constraints on such objects from microlensing studies to the extent that it is doubtful that they can constitute the dark matter.
This article from year 2000 says that MACHOs can't make 100% of DM, but, on the other hand, the amount of microlensing is several times higher than expected from stars alone, estimating that MACHOs make about 20% of DM. Is there any new development?

Orodruin said:
It is doubtful that it is meaningful to talk about a temperature in the same sense that you can talk about the temperature of the CMB.
There is average kinetic energy. Is that supposed to be about equal to CMB temperature? Is there any experiment that could measure the average kinetic energy of DM particles? There should be constraints derived from the size of galactic halos. Too much energy, DM flies away; too little and the halos would be too small.
 
Sanborn Chase said:
We might ask if it exists in phases as does ordinary matter.
I'm afraid that cannot be answered with gravitational observations, which is pretty much the only thing we have.
 
We assume dark matter is particulate largely because all other forms of matter appear to be particulate. The allowable mass range for MACHO's is severely constrained by microlensing surveys. No more than about 25% of dark matter can exist in the form of MACHO's of a mass exceeding about .0000001 [10-7] solar masses within the galactic halo - re; https://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/9803082, EROS and MACHO Combined Limits on Planetary Mass Dark Matter in the Galactic Halo.
 
SlowThinker said:
I'm afraid that cannot be answered with gravitational observations, which is pretty much the only thing we have.
Don't we have some of that gravity beneath our feet? Are we searching right here on Earth with as much vigor as deep space?
 
Sanborn Chase said:
Don't we have some of that gravity beneath our feet? Are we searching right here on Earth with as much vigor as deep space?
Because gravity is so weak, it's really hard to find or measure small things with it. And if you can't hold them in place for a long time, it's pretty much impossible.
I'm wondering if we can use knowledge of nuclear reactions to estimate the mass of the Sun, and compare it to its gravitational mass, to see if he Sun perhaps has some dark matter in its core.
 
I fell and broke my hip recently; I don't think gravity is weak at all.
Your idea about the sun seems good, but what about the mass of the Earth?
 
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Sanborn Chase said:
I fell and broke my hip recently; I don't think gravity is weak at all.

But it took a whole planet to do it,.
 
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I have a refrigerator magnet that laughs at the strength of Earth's gravity.
 
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Chronos said:
I have a refrigerator magnet that laughs at the strength of Earth's gravity.
I have some old ones which stopped laughing and began fighting ...
 

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