How can I derive the identity for this special Fourier series?

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The discussion revolves around deriving a specific identity related to a Fourier series involving polar coordinates. Participants seek hints and clarification on the mathematical steps necessary to prove the identity, which connects a series involving sine functions to an arctangent function.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests hints on deriving the identity: sum(((p^n))/n)*sin(n*Q) = atan(2*p*sin(q)/(1-p^2)), indicating that p and q are polar coordinates.
  • Another participant expresses difficulty with the Fourier series function and notes that it is an odd function, seeking assistance.
  • Several participants discuss the periodicity of the function and the appropriateness of the integration range, with one participant suggesting that the integrals must be taken over the specified period.
  • Another participant argues that the function is extended periodically and questions the integration over a range of 3π, suggesting that this does not change the periodic nature of the function.
  • One participant proposes a method involving taking the imaginary part of a series and integrating with respect to a variable z, providing a potential approach to derive the identity.
  • Multiple participants express confusion or seek clarification on the calculations and the original question regarding the Fourier series.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement, particularly regarding the periodicity of the function and the correct approach to integration. There is no consensus on the derivation of the identity, and multiple viewpoints on the mathematical reasoning are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the need for clarification on the integration limits and the implications of periodicity, indicating that assumptions about the function's behavior over different intervals may not be fully resolved.

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can anyone give me a hint on deriving this identity:
sum(((p^n))/n)*sin(n*Q)= atan(2*p*sin(q)/(1-p^2)

n = 1 to infinity
p and q are polar coordinates
 
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[tex]\sum[/tex]p[tex]^{n}[/tex]sin(n*[tex]\o[/tex])=[tex]\\\\atan(\frac{2p*sin(\o)}{(1-p^{2})})[/tex]
 
Having difficulty with this Fourier series function. I know that it is an odd function...can anyone help me
 

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Nchatooa said:
Having difficulty with this Fourier series function. I know that it is an odd function...can anyone help me

It is poor practice to hijack a thread about one question by posing another question. You should start a new thread with your question.
 
poconnel said:
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The function is periodic with period [itex]2\pi[/itex]. Why are you integrating over a range of [itex]3\pi[/itex]?
 
LCKurtz said:
The function is periodic with period [itex]2\pi[/itex]. Why are you integrating over a range of [itex]3\pi[/itex]?

I believe even though sin and cos are periodic over 2 pi a Fourier series is a representation over the given period and so the integrals must be taken over the period given. I forgot to multiply the integrals by [tex]\frac{1}{3\pi}[/tex]
 
No. You are given a function on [itex](-\pi,\pi)[/itex]. That function is extended periodically. The fact that you were asked to draw its graph over an interval of length [itex]3\pi[/itex] doesn't magically make the function periodic of that period.

The problem asks you to determine whether the given function is even, odd, or neither. If it is one of the first two, that suggests using a half-range expansion.

You are, as the saying goes, barking up the wrong tree.
 
maybe this will work
 

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any help on my problem?
 
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What do you need help on? That last bmp looks like you have calculated the Fourier series correctly. Do you see what the answer to the original question is?
 
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poconnel said:
[tex]\sum[/tex]p[tex]^{n}[/tex]sin(n*[tex]\o[/tex])=[tex]\\\\atan(\frac{2p*sin(\o)}{(1-p^{2})})[/tex]

I was looking or hints on the proof of this identity
 
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[tex]\sum[/tex][tex]\frac{\rho}{n}[/tex][tex]\ast[/tex][tex]\rho[/tex][tex]^{n}[/tex]sin[tex]\sigma[/tex]=[tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex][tex]\ast[/tex]tan[tex]^{-1}[/tex][tex]\left([/tex][tex]\frac{2*\rho*sin(\sigma)}{1-\rho^{2}}[/tex][tex]\right)[/tex][tex]\right)[/tex]

this is a Fourier series listed in most references but I can't derive it. Any help?
 
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poconnel said:
can anyone give me a hint on deriving this identity:
sum(((p^n))/n)*sin(n*Q)= atan(2*p*sin(q)/(1-p^2)

n = 1 to infinity
p and q are polar coordinates

the actual identity is:
 

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poconnel said:
the actual identity is:

I would try the following: Write the left hand side as

[tex]\mbox{Im}\left(\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{z^{2n-1}}{2n-1}\right),[/tex]

where "Im" means take the imaginary part of the result, and I've written [itex]z = p \exp[i \phi][/itex].

Take a derivative of this with respect to z, evaluate the series, then integrate the result with respect to z. Impose the initial condition z = 0 the sum = 0 to fix the arbitrary constant, then write z in terms of p and phi again and finally take the imaginary part of the result.
 

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