How can I factorize this polynomial?

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The discussion revolves around the factorization of the polynomial $$6a^2-3ab-11ac+12ad-18b^2+36bc-45bd-10c^2+27cd-18d^2$$. Participants explore various approaches to decompose the polynomial, examining different groupings and methods of factorization.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests a factorized form of $$(Aa+Bb+Cc+Dd)(Wa + Xb + Yc + Zd)$$ and explores how to apply this to the original polynomial.
  • Another participant proposes breaking down specific terms, such as $6a^2-11ac-10c^2$, and attempts to factor it as $$(2a-5c)(3a + 2c)$$.
  • Discussion includes attempts to factor $6a^2-3ab-18b^2$ into $3(2a+3b)(a-2b)$, with participants comparing coefficients to derive values for A, B, C, and D.
  • There are corrections regarding sign errors in the factorization results, with one participant noting a discrepancy in the signs of the factors.
  • Participants consider alternative groupings, such as $-10c^2+27cd-18d^2$, and explore how to factor this expression as well.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on a single method for factorization, as participants propose different approaches and corrections. Disagreements arise regarding specific signs in the factorization results and the order of terms to consider.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the best approach to take when factoring different parts of the polynomial and how to compare results after factoring. Some assumptions about the structure of the polynomial and the choice of terms to factor first remain unresolved.

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Decompose

$$6a^2-3ab-11ac+12ad-18b^2+36bc-45bd-10c^2+27cd-18d^2$$

I noticed that the factorized form would be $$(Aa+Bb+Cc+Dd)(Wa + Xb + Yc + Zd)$$

Which is similar to the factorized form $$(Aa+Bb+Cc)(Wa+Xb+Yc)$$

$$Yc(Aa+Bb)+Cc(Wa+Xb) = c(CX+BY)$$

Is there a way that I can somehow use this to decompose the original polynomial expression? I'm stuck. I need help.
 
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bergausstein said:
Decompose

$$6a^2-3ab-11ac+12ad-18b^2+36bc-45bd-10c^2+27cd-18d^2$$

I noticed that the factorized form would be $$(Aa+Bb+Cc+Dd)(Wa + Xb + Yc + Zd)$$

Which is similar to the factorized form $$(Aa+Bb+Cc)(Wa+Xb+Yc)$$

$$Yc(Aa+Bb)+Cc(Wa+Xb) = c(CX+BY)$$

Is there a way that I can somehow use this to decompose the original polynomial expression? I'm stuck. I need help.

If from the above we take (Aa+Bb)(Wa+Xb) we get quadratic polynomial in ab so one

let us see for a c because coefficient of $^2$, $c^2$ and $ac$ do not have any constant as a common factor

we get $6a^2-11ac - 10c^2 = 6a^2-15ac + 4ac = 10c^2 = 3a(2a-5s) + 2c(2a-5s) = (2a-5c)(3a + 2c)$

so we get factor of the form(2a+Ab-5c +Bd)(3a+Cb+2c + Dd)

taking $6a^2-3ab -18b^2 = 3(2a^2 - ab - 6b^2) = 3(2a+3b)(a-2b) = (3a - 6b)(2a+3b)$

comparing above we get A = 3 and C = 6

so we get factor (2a+3b-5c +Bd)(3a+6b+2c + Dd)

now take trinoomal of a d

$6a^2 +12ad-18d^2 = 6(a^2+2ad-3d^2)= 6(a+3d)(a-d) = (2a+6d)(3a-3d)$

comparing with above we have B= 6 and D = -3 and hence facfored as = (2a+3b-5c +6d)(3a+6b+2c -3d)
you can multiply and check it out.
 
kaliprasad said:
If from the above we take (Aa+Bb)(Wa+Xb) we get quadratic polynomial in ab so one

let us see for a c because coefficient of $^2$, $c^2$ and $ac$ do not have any constant as a common factor

we get $6a^2-11ac - 10c^2 = 6a^2-15ac + 4ac = 10c^2 = 3a(2a-5s) + 2c(2a-5s) = (2a-5c)(3a + 2c)$

so we get factor of the form(2a+Ab-5c +Bd)(3a+Cb+2c + Dd)

taking $6a^2-3ab -18b^2 = 3(2a^2 - ab - 6b^2) = 3(2a+3b)(a-2b) = (3a - 6b)(2a+3b)$

comparing above we get A = 3 and C = 6

so we get factor (2a+3b-5c +Bd)(3a+6b+2c + Dd)

now take trinoomal of a d

$6a^2 +12ad-18d^2 = 6(a^2+2ad-3d^2)= 6(a+3d)(a-d) = (2a+6d)(3a-3d)$

comparing with above we have B= 6 and D = -3 and hence facfored as = (2a+3b-5c +6d)(3a+6b+2c -3d)
you can multiply and check it out.

Hi kaliprasad! It did check out. But I think you made a sign error $(3a-6b+2c-3d)$ instead of $(3a+6b+2c-3d)$. How do you decide which trinomial to take first? And what if I choose $-10c^2+27cd-18d^2$? And where do you compare it to after factoring?
 
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bergausstein said:
Hi kaliprasad! It did check out. But I think you made a sign error $(3a-6b+2c-3d)$ instead of $(3a+6b+2c-3d)$. How do you decide which trinomial to take first? And what if I choose $-10c^2+27cd-18d^2$? And where do you compare it to after factoring?

you are right

taking 6a2−3ab−18b2=3(2a2−ab−6b2)=3(2a+3b)(a−2b)=(3a−6b)(2a+3b)6a2−3ab−18b2=3(2a2−ab−6b2)=3(2a+3b)(a−2b)=(3a−6b)(2a+3b)

comparing above we get A = 3 and C = 6

so we get factor (2a+3b-5c +Bd)(3a+6b+2c + Dd)

it should be

A = 3 and B= -6 hence your result
 
bergausstein said:
Hi kaliprasad! It did check out. But I think you made a sign error $(3a-6b+2c-3d)$ instead of $(3a+6b+2c-3d)$. How do you decide which trinomial to take first? And what if I choose $-10c^2+27cd-18d^2$? And where do you compare it to after factoring?

if you choose $-10c^2+27cd-18d^2$ you get
$-10c^2+15cd + 12cd - 18d^2= -5c(2c-3d) + 6d(2c-3d) = (2c-3d)(6d-5c) $

then taking combination of polynomial of b c or bd and so on
 

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