How can I find n to make the sum of a sequence equal a specific number?

  • Thread starter Thread starter um0123
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Sequence
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the value of n in a sequence defined by the sum of terms of the form 1/(√2n-1 + √2n+1), with the goal of equating this sum to a specific number, initially set at 100. The problem falls within the subject area of sequences and series in mathematics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the nature of the series, noting that it is neither arithmetic nor geometric. Questions arise regarding how to approach the problem without a clear method. Some participants suggest trying various techniques, such as writing out partial sums or substituting values to identify patterns.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and suggestions for exploring the problem further. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in finding n, and some guidance has been offered regarding potential algebraic manipulations and the examination of patterns in the series.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion about the problem's requirements and the implications of the terms in the series. There is a discussion about the assumptions regarding the nature of the sum and the values it can take, as well as the constraints of the homework context.

  • #31
notice it is always an odd term, if N is the number of terms and S is the sum wth N terms:

N = 1,
S(N) = (√3- 1)/2

N = 2
S(N) = (√5- 1)/2

N = 3
S(N) = (√7- 1)/2
...
notice it is always includes squareroot of an odd term, any ideas how to write that in terms of N?

Once you have your general equation, solve it for N, when S(N) = 100


-----------------------------
I have to go now (good luck), but here's another more rigourous way to finish the problem:

to help see the pattern & summarise
S(N) = \sum_{n = 1}^{N} \frac{1}{\sqrt{2n - 1} + \sqrt{2n + 1}}

after rationalising the denominator
S(N) = \sum_{n = 1}^{N} \frac{1}{2} (\sqrt{2n + 1} - \sqrt{2n - 1} )

splitting the series & changing dummy to help with substitution:
S(N) = \frac{1}{2}( (\sum_{n = 1}^{N} \sqrt{2n + 1}) - (\sum_{m = 1}^{N}\sqrt{2m - 1}))

now to go forward form here:
- substitute into the 2nd sum only, m = n +1
- the sum limits of the 2nd sum will now become n = 0 to n = N-1 (previously m =1 to N)

cancelling terms should lead to the same pattern you observe
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #32
Kk, I've done some work, and I think I found a pattern to the sum.

\frac{\sqrt{2n+1}-1}{2}
 
  • #33
thanks lanedance, and phase shifter, and to everyone who helped.

together denny and i got the answer, and we couldn't ever do it without you guys.
 
Last edited:
  • #34
Denyven said:
Kk, I've done some work, and I think I found a pattern to the sum.

\frac{\sqrt{2n+1}-1}{2}

Right.
 
  • #35
SWEET, thanks guys, I got the answer. All your help, from everyone, was very much appreciated.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
919
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K