How can I incorporate wind into a basic projectile simulation?

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The discussion revolves around incorporating wind effects into a basic projectile simulation for a game. Participants explore various methods to model wind direction and strength, alongside the effects of gravity on projectile motion. The conversation includes technical code snippets and mathematical formulations related to the simulation.

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  • One participant shares a basic setup for projectile motion, incorporating gravity but initially excluding wind effects.
  • Another participant proposes a structure for the projectile and wind, detailing how to update the projectile's position and velocity over time, including the influence of wind.
  • A different participant suggests a drag model where the drag force is proportional to the wind speed, introducing a more complex mathematical framework for simulating wind effects on the projectile.
  • One participant points out potential errors in the previous code regarding the integration of velocity and the application of gravity, suggesting corrections to improve accuracy.
  • Another participant mentions removing time squared from the position update to resolve unexpected results in the simulation.
  • A participant shares a link to their code repository, inviting others to test their implementation, which includes a wind indicator and user interface elements.

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Participants express varying approaches to modeling wind effects, with some agreeing on the need for drag while others propose different methods. There is no consensus on the best approach, and corrections to earlier claims are made without resolving the underlying disagreements.

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Some participants' contributions involve assumptions about the physics of wind and drag that may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and differing interpretations of how to implement wind effects in the simulation.

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Hey I am making a game with basic a projectile that includes gravity and wind and I don't know how I can control the wind direction and power. Here is what I've got without wind:

Setup:
x = 0 /// x starting position
y = 0 /// y starting position
r = 10 /// radius of projectile
time = 0
g = 9.8 /// Gravity
theta = 45 /// 45 degrees starting angle
v0x = v * cos(theta * Math.PI/180) /// Angle in radians(?) multiplied by velocity
v0y = v * sin(theta * Math.PI/180) /// Angle in radians(?) multiplied by velocity

My method for calculating the X and Y position of the bullet is to increase the frameCount by 0.10 each frame:

BEGIN LOOP
y = y - v0y * time - (1/2 * g * (time^2)) /// "^2" denotes squared
x = x + v0x * time ///
time = time + 0.10 // increase time for the next frame
REPEAT LOOP


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So the way I interpret this is that every frame I apply gravity to the Y coord and no forces to the X coord (the force applied to the Y coord is: minus 1/2 * gravity * time squared)

Now I figured out if I apply more gravity and a force to the X coord it will act like wind is effecting the projectile however I don't know the proportion of extra force I should I apply to the X and to the Y to make it appear like there is a lot of wind effecting the projectile in say -45 degree angle.


Can anybody help?
 
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Something like this I think but I could be wayy off base... I'm pretty sleepy.

Code:
struct Projectile
{
	float x;
	float y;

	float velocityX;
	float veloctiyY;

	float mass;
};

struct Wind
{
	float velocityX;
	float velocityY;
};

Projectile	projectile;
Wind		wind;

void RunFrame( float timestep )
{
	// add gravity
	projectile.velocityY += -9.80665f * timestep;

	// add wind
	projectile.velocityX += (wind.velocityX - projectile.velocityX) / projectile.mass * timestep;
	projectile.velocityY += (wind.velocityY - projectile.velocityY) / projectile.mass * timestep;

	// integrate velocity
	projectile.x += 0.5f * projectile.velocityX * timestep * timestep;
	projectile.y += 0.5f * projectile.velocityY * timestep * timestep;

	// draw
}
 
Since it's just a game, you can use a simple model for drag in which the drag force is proportional to the wind speed (it's actually proportional to the square of the wind speed, but that makes everything really complicated):
\vec F_w = \alpha (\vec v_w - \vec v)
\alpha is a constant that depends on the shape and size of the object. A very aerodynamic object has a low \alpha. That gives you
\vec v' = \vec h - k \vec v (1)
where \vec h = -g \hat j + k \vec v_w and k = \frac{\alpha}{m}. \vec h is the new effective gravitational field. (1) is a differential equation with the unknown function being \vec v. There is a constant solution. This is the terminal velocity. Call it \vec c.
\vec c = \frac{\vec h}{k}
All solutions gradually approach this velocity. The full solution is
\vec v(t) = (\vec v(0) - \vec c) e^{-kt} + \vec c.
Integrating this gives you
\vec r(t) = -\frac{1}{k} (1 - e^{-kt}) (\vec v(0) - \vec c) + \vec c t + \vec r(0)

That should get you started.
 
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James Leighe that really helped me out! However I think there are a few mistakes in your math for example:

Code:
projectile.x += 0.5f * projectile.velocityX * timestep * timestep;
projectile.y += 0.5f * projectile.velocityY * timestep * timestep;
should be


Code:
projectile.x += 0.5f * projectile.velocityX * timestep * timestep;
projectile.y [B]-[/B]= 0.5f * projectile.velocityY * timestep * timestep;
Also the gravity should be subtracting not adding:

Code:
projectile.velocityY [B]-[/B]= -9.80665f * timestep;


apart from then I just tweaked the numbers around until it looks good :) Thanks for your help!
 
Also to edit your code I took out the time squared, it was giving it weird results:


Code:
projectile.x += 0.5f * projectile.velocityX * timestep;
 
Feel free to test out my code:
this includes draw, and collision

Obviously some user interface glitches that I'm not concerned right now.
the wind indicator in top middle shows the direction and power of the wind (from 0 being low to 23 being highest)
the user is stuck at power 20 for the initial velocity of the projectile just for testing purposes

sorry if you have a small screen and it all doesn't fit, when I work on the camera control (pan and zoom) it will fit to your screen.

Also when you refresh it will change the wind direction and speed

https://github.com/JAStanton/worms/tree/fd5d30497ebe5c96ddec7079b6ed8240db3169b7

Currently it's hosted here but I will probably overwrite it soonL
"jastanton.com/experiments/worms"
 
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