How Can I Reverse a Trigonometric Identity to Find Original Constants?

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The discussion revolves around the process of reversing a trigonometric identity to recover original constants from a given expression. Participants explore the mathematical relationships involved in converting the expression back to its original form, specifically focusing on the constants K₁ and φ in the context of trigonometric functions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a trigonometric identity and seeks to reverse it to find original constants, specifically φ and K₁.
  • Another participant identifies a system of equations derived from the given expression, suggesting that φ and K₁ can be solved using nonlinear equations.
  • A later reply notes the ambiguity in the solution, indicating that multiple angles and signs for K₁ can yield the same result, which may not be problematic in practical applications but is important to consider.

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Participants generally agree on the method of deriving equations from the expression, but there is acknowledgment of ambiguity in the solutions, indicating that multiple interpretations may exist.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the nonlinear nature of the equations involved and the potential for multiple valid solutions due to periodic properties of trigonometric functions.

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I was working on a trigonometric identity and out of curiosity wanted to see how one could go back to the original expression.
Hi,

K₁cos(θt+φ)=K₁cos(θt)cos(φ)-K₁sin(θt)sin(φ)=K₁K₂cos(θt)-K₁K₃sin(θt)

Let's assume φ=30° , K₁=5
5cos(θt+30°) = 5cos(θt)cos(30°)-5sin(θt)sin(30°) = (5)0.866cos(θt)-(5)0.5sin(θt) = 4.33cos(θt)-2.5sin(θt)

If only the final result, 4.33cos(θt)-2.5sin(θt), is given, how do I find the original φ=30° and K₁=5? Or, how do I convert the final result back into 5cos(θt+30°) without knowing any intermediate steps?

Could you please help me with it? Thank you.

Note to self:
sin(A+90°)=sinAcos(90°)+cosAsin90°=cosA therefore cosA=sin(A+90°)
or, cos(A+90°)=cosAcos90°-sinAsin90°=-sinAsin90°
 
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From your derivation you can see that ##4.33 = K_1 \cos(\phi)## and ##-2.5=-K_1 \sin(\phi)##. This is a system with two equations and two unknowns that you can solve for φ and K1. The equations are nonlinear but you can get a result by dividing them (for phi) and by looking at the sum of squares (for K1).
 
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Thank you.

I hope it's correct. Could you please give it a look?

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Looks good, and the result is correct of course.

One caveat: There is a bit of ambiguity. An angle that is larger/smaller by 180 degree and the opposite sign for K1 at the same time lead to the same result, and changing the angle by 360 degree doesn't impact the result either, so you can't notice that. Usually this isn't a problem in applications, but it is something to keep in mind.
 
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