How can I simplify this equation by substituting for Vf2?

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The discussion revolves around simplifying an equation involving momentum conservation, specifically focusing on the substitution of Vf2 to derive an expression for Vf1. The context includes two equations that are claimed to be equivalent, and the original poster seeks assistance in demonstrating the steps to transition from one equation to the other.

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  • Participants discuss the equivalence of the equations and the implications of substituting Vf2. The original poster expresses difficulty in simplifying the equations without resulting in trivial identities. Others suggest methods for rearranging terms to facilitate the substitution process.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants attempting to clarify the original poster's request and offering different strategies for approaching the problem. There is recognition of the need to correctly interpret the equations and the substitution process, though no consensus or resolution has been reached.

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There is mention of a potential misunderstanding regarding the equations, particularly concerning the presence of squared terms. The original poster acknowledges this oversight but emphasizes the need for guidance on the substitution steps.

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These two equations are the same:

M1Vf1+M2Vf2=M1Vo1 + 0

After substituting Vf2= M1(Vo1 –Vf1)/M2 in one of the equations above, it is now Vf1=[(M1-M2)/(M1+M2)]V01

The assignment is to show the steps how the first equation becomes the second after substituting for Vf2. I have tried simplifying the equation in numerous ways, but M1 and M2 keep canceling out, and I end up with Vf1=Vf1. Can anybody help?
 
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jedr said:
These two equations are the same:

M1Vf1+M2Vf2=M1Vo1 + 0
½M1Vf1 + ½M2Vf2 = ½M1Vo1 + 0


The only thing different is that the second equation is just the first multiplied by 1/2. So you will always end up with something like M1=M1 or similar.
 
Yes, I know that the two equations are the same. I need to substitute Vf2 in either equation to get Vf1=[(M1-M2)/(M1+M2)]V01. It doesn't matter which equation of the two above is used, both were just given to me.
 
All three equations are the same. The third one is just the first one solved for [tex]v_{f2}[/tex].

I think you wanted the velocities to be squared in the second equation.
 
Yes, I forgot the squares but you are misunderstanding what I am asking. The equations are the same, I know that, but I cannot seem to figure the steps to get to the other equation.
 
Well, it's hard to understand what you're asking if you don't ask it correctly. Try this. With both equations, collect the v1 terms on one side and the v2 term on the other. Then divide the equation with the squares by the other. Then you'll have a set of two linear equations which you can readily solve while avoiding much algebraic messiness.
 

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