Why Is My Calculation of Final Velocities in an Elastic Collision Incorrect?

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The discussion revolves around an elastic collision problem involving two carts with specified masses and initial velocities. Participants are examining the calculations related to final velocities post-collision, with a focus on momentum and kinetic energy conservation principles.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to apply conservation laws to derive final velocities. There are questions regarding the accuracy of calculations, particularly concerning the kinetic energy equation and the values obtained for final velocities.

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Some participants have offered corrections to specific terms in the equations, while others express uncertainty about the validity of their results. There appears to be a divergence in the final answers reached, indicating ongoing exploration of the problem.

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Homework Statement



Two carts with masses m1 = 0.8 kg and m2 = 1.2 kg are moving toward each other with
speeds v1 = 4.5 m/s and v2 = 3.8 m/s as shown in the diagram below. The two carts
collide elastically.

Some reason I'm getting too high of a value, don't know I'm doing wrong...

Homework Equations


momentum = m1v1 + m2v2 = m1vf1 + m2vf2

kinetic energy = .5m1v1^2 + .5m2v2^2 = .5m1vf^2 + .5 m1vf2^2

The Attempt at a Solution



So I found the momentum which came out to be -.96 = .8vf1 + 1.2vf2
Rearranged the equation to solve for vf2 = -(2/3)vf1 - .8
Then tried to find kinetic energy and got 8.1 + 10.83 = .4vf1^2 + .6vf2^2

Plugged in v2 and got 16.76 = .4vf1^2 + (4/15)vf1^2 + .64vf1 + .384
Subtracted 16.76 from both sides
Used quadratic equation

Came out with 13.5 m/s for vf1.
 
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jubbly said:
Then tried to find kinetic energy and got 8.1 + 10.83 = .4vf1^2 + .6vf2^2
Check the second term on the left hand side.
 
Doc Al said:
Check the second term on the left hand side.

Fixed it a little, but still getting a pretty high number. Is that really the answer?
 
jubbly said:
Fixed it a little, but still getting a pretty high number. Is that really the answer?
No. I got the same equation as yours, but got a lower answer.
 

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