How can I simplify this logarithm?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around simplifying a logarithmic expression involving various bases and the application of the change of base formula. Participants explore different approaches to manipulate the logarithmic terms and clarify their understanding of the underlying concepts.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using the change of base formula, suggesting that $$\log_b y = \frac{\log_2 y}{\log_2 b}$$ could simplify the expression.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the subject and requests further explanation.
  • Another participant confirms the application of the change of base formula, reiterating the calculation of $$\log_{96}(2)$$.
  • Several participants share their results, with one noting a discrepancy between their answer and the solution provided in a textbook.
  • Participants discuss intermediate steps in the simplification process, with one participant presenting a new expression involving logarithms of products.
  • There is a request for clarification on how to express a logarithmic term clearly, leading to a discussion about proper formatting in posts.
  • One participant questions the correctness of a derived logarithmic relationship, prompting further examination of the calculations involved.
  • Another participant provides a detailed breakdown of the logarithmic expressions, suggesting alternative forms and manipulations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the simplification process, as there are multiple approaches and some confusion remains regarding specific calculations and formatting. Discrepancies in results are noted, and the discussion continues to explore various interpretations and methods.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the steps involved in the simplification process, and there are unresolved questions about the correctness of specific logarithmic transformations. The discussion reflects a range of understanding and familiarity with logarithmic properties.

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$$\log_{2}\left({24}\right) / \log_{96}\left({2}\right) - \log_{2}\left({192}\right) /\log_{12}\left({2}\right)$$
 
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Elena said:
$$\log_{2}\left({24}\right) / \log_{96}\left({2}\right) - \log_{2}\left({192}\right) /\log_{12}\left({2}\right)$$

Hi Elena! :)

How far can you get?

Perhaps you can substitute the following? (Wondering)
$$\log_b y = \frac{\log_2 y}{\log_2 b}$$
That should make the expression simpler...

So for instance:
$$\log_{96} 2 = \frac{\log_2 2}{\log_2 96} = \frac{1}{\log_2 96}$$
 
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actually i can` t understand this subject can you explain more?please
 
I think what I like Serena meant is:

$$\log_{96}(2)=\frac{\log_2(2)}{\log_2(96)}=\frac{1}{\log_2(96)}$$

This is an application of the change of base formula.
 
i know this...in the end of book i have the solution 3 but i obtained 0 the result
 
Elena said:
i know this...in the end of book i have the solution 3 but i obtained 0 the result

Good!
Can you show the first intermediate step? (Wondering)
 
$$\log_{2}\left({6*{2}^{2}}\right) /\log_{6*{2}^{4}}\left({2}\right) -\log_{2}\left({3*{2}^{6}}\right)/ \log_{3*{2}^{2}}\left({2}\right)$$

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finally i obtained $$4 \log_{2}\left({6}\right) / \frac{1}{8}\log_{6}\left({2}\right) -6\log_{2}\left({6}\right) /
\frac{1}{2}\log_{6}\left({2}\right)$$
 
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Elena said:
$$\log_{2}\left({6*{2}^{2}}\right) /\log_{6*{2}^{4}}\left({2}\right) -\log_{2}\left({3*{2}^{6}}\right)/ \log_{3*{2}^{2}}\left({2}\right)$$

Good!

Can you change the base of each logarithm to $2$?

Btw, I have added $$$$ tags around your formula to properly render it.

Elena said:
finally i obtained $$4 \log_{2}\left({6}\right) / \frac{1}{8}\log_{6}\left({2}\right) -6\log_{2}\left({6}\right) /
\frac{1}{2}\log_{6}\left({2}\right)$$

That doesn't look quite right.
Let's zoom in on $\log_{6*{2}^{4}}\left({2}\right)$
It appears you deduced that it is equal to $\frac{1}{8}\log_{6}\left({2}\right)$

How did you get that? (Wondering)
 
$$\log_{6*{2}^{4}}\left({2}\right)=\frac{1}{4}\log_{3*{2}^{2}}\left({2}\right)=\frac{1}{8}\log_{6}\left({2}\right)$$
how can i write to be clear?
 
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Elena said:
$$$$ \log_{6{2}^{4}}\left({2}\right)=\frac{1}{4}\log_{3*{2}^{2}}\left({2}\right)=\frac{1}{8}\log_{6}\left({2}\right)$$$$

You need to include $\LaTeX$ code within tags. On our toolbar you will see a button labeled with the $\Sigma$ character. Click this button and the MATH tags will be inserted at your current cursor location within the post message. Then, in between these tags (the cursor is already conveniently placed there) type your code. This will cause the code to be parsed correctly. :D
 
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Elena said:
$$$$\log_{6{2}^{4}}\left({2}\right)=\frac{1}{4}\log_{3*{2}^{2}}\left({2}\right)=\frac{1}{8}\log_{6}\left({2}\right)
Code:
how can i write to be clear?

I see you have included $$$$ tags now.
However the $$ tag must go at the beginning, and the $$ must go at the end.
 
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Elena said:
$$\log_{6*{2}^{4}}\left({2}\right)=\frac{1}{4}\log_{3*{2}^{2}}\left({2}\right)=\frac{1}{8}\log_{6}\left({2}\right)$$
how can i write to be clear?

It should be:
$$\log_{6\cdot{2}^{4}}\left({2}\right)
=\frac{\log_6(2)}{\log_6(6\cdot {2}^{4})}
=\frac{\log_6(2)}{\log_6(6) + \log_6({2}^{4})}
=\frac{\log_6(2)}{1 + 4\log_6(2)}$$

Or better:
$$\log_{6\cdot{2}^{4}}\left({2}\right)
=\log_{3\cdot{2}^{5}}\left({2}\right)
=\frac{\log_2(2)}{\log_2(3\cdot {2}^{5})}
=\frac{1}{\log_2(3) + \log_2({2}^{5})}
=\frac{1}{\log_2(3) + 5}
$$
 

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