How can I use determinants to find energy levels in a finite square potential?

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The discussion revolves around using determinants to find energy levels in a finite square potential well within quantum mechanics. Participants explore the derivation of wavefunctions and the application of boundary conditions to form a system of equations, leading to the calculation of energy levels.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes deriving wavefunctions for three domains of a finite square potential well and forming a system of equations based on boundary conditions.
  • Another participant explains that the determinant of the system of equations must be set to zero to find nontrivial solutions, which correspond to the energy levels.
  • There is a question about the necessity of plotting the determinant's imaginary component and its implications for finding energy levels.
  • One participant suggests that the determinant being a complex number means both its real and imaginary parts should be considered when finding zero crossings to determine eigenvalues.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about how to find the unknown coefficients once the energy states are determined, with a suggestion that this may lead to a transcendental equation that can be solved numerically.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of using the determinant to find energy levels, but there is uncertainty regarding the treatment of the determinant's imaginary component and the subsequent steps to find the unknown coefficients.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the determinant's complex nature or the specific numerical methods for solving the resulting equations for unknowns.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners of quantum mechanics, particularly those interested in potential wells and the mathematical techniques involved in solving related problems.

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Hi, I am in the process of learning QM.
I am looking at this problem regarding to a finite square potential well.
I have derived psi(x) and the k's for the 3 domains,

psi1(x) = Ae^kx => k = sqrt(2m(V-E)/h^2)
psi2(x) = Ce^jkx + De^-jkx => k=sqrt(2mE)/h
psi3(x) = He^-kx => same k as in domain 1

and then what I did was to take the boundary conditions and substitue into the equations and make a system of 4 equations with so that I can solve the unknowns.

What I don't understand is the way I've been told to do this from the above.

I've been told to calculate the determinant of the system of the 4 equations, and by scanning E. When the determinant goes to 0, I will get the energy level for E.
Any one can explain to me why this will give the answer?

And also, it seems like I will need to get the answer by ploting the determinant from its imaginary component. Why?

And when I have the 3 different energy levels that satisfy the conditions, how do I find the unknowns?

Thanks for any help.
 
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The boundary conditions on the wavefunction and its first derivative give you the system of equations you are referring to.

This is a system of equations linear in the unknown coefficients. So the condition you stated is the condition for the existence of a nontrivial solution for this system.

And also, it seems like I will need to get the answer by ploting the determinant from its imaginary component. Why?

Not sure I understand this. The determinant is a complex number. Setting it equivalent to zero is equivalent to setting its real and imaginary parts to zero separately. Perhaps what you want to do is treat the determinant as a function of the parameter E and plot it as a function of E, to determine the zero crossings, which will give you the eigenvalues.
 


And when I get the energy states Es, how do I find out the unknowns?
 


pepsicola said:
And when I get the energy states Es, how do I find out the unknowns?

You must have obtained a transcendental equation..just solve for the eigenvalues numerically.
 

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