How can I use variation of parameters to solve this differential equation?

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The discussion revolves around the application of the variation of parameters method to solve the differential equation y''' + y' = tan(x). Participants explore different approaches to the problem, including the setup of the characteristic equation and the formulation of solutions.

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  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the variation of parameters method as taught in class compared to textbook approaches, particularly in setting up the characteristic equation.
  • Another participant suggests that using e^{ix} simplifies the problem to sine and cosine functions and requests to see the participant's work for better assistance.
  • A participant presents a system of equations derived from their approach but finds solving it challenging.
  • Another participant clarifies the characteristic equation and asserts that the general solution to the homogeneous equation does not require complex exponentials, suggesting a different form for the solution using real functions.
  • This participant proposes a specific form for the solution using functions u, v, and w, and outlines a method to derive equations for these functions based on the variation of parameters approach.

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Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the appropriate form of the solution and the application of the variation of parameters method. Multiple competing views on how to approach the problem remain unresolved.

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There are limitations in the discussion, including differing interpretations of the variation of parameters method, the necessity of complex exponentials, and the specific forms of the solution. The mathematical steps taken by participants are not fully resolved.

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Hey all,

this is a little confusing, because the "variation of parameters" that I have been taught in class is different then what I find in most texts...

I have y''' + y' = tan(x)

Most textbooks use the wronskian and work from there,
what I was taught to do is set it up as the characteristic eqn, and then factoring it I get solutions

r = 0, -i , + i

(Side question, may I set up my solution as:

y= C1 + C2sin(x) + C3cos(x) + C4 e^ix + C5 e^ - ix ?

or must it be something like...

y= C1 +C2 e^ix + C3 e^ - ix + C4 xe^ix + C5 xe^ - ix ? )

Anyways,

then when we take the derivatives, we end up with a system of equations, where the sum of each term with a derivative of a constant = 0,
and the last expression = tan x

But solving these is difficult...

HELP!
 
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First of all e^{ix} will simplify to sin and cos in each case to make life easier. And you should show us what you have done so far that we may help you. My way of doing it may be slightly different from yours.
 
Ok,
well simplifying I get these 4 expressions::

C1' cos(x) + C2' sin(x) + C3' xcos(x) + C4' xsin(x) = 0

-C1' sin(x) + C2' cos(x) + C3' xcos(x) - C4' xsin(x) = 0

-C1' cos(x) - C2' sin(x) - C3' xcos(x) - C4' xsin(x) = tan(x)

Now I need to solve this system, and integrate for the constants...
 
I have no idea what you are doing! Yes, the characteristic equation is r3+r= 0 and has roots 0, i, and -i. That tells you that the general solution to the associated homogeneous equation would be y= C0+ C1 cos(x)+ C2 sin(x). There is no reason for complex exponentials (those would reduce to the cosine and sine functions) nor for multiplying by x.

Now, to use "variation of parameters", look for a solution to the entire equation of the form y= u(x)+ v(x)cos(x)+ w(x)sin(x). y'= u'+ v' cos(x)- v sin(x)+ w' sin(x)+ w cos(x). There are, in fact, an infinite number of choices for u, v, and w and we can simplify by narrowing the search to only those that satisfy u'+ v' cos(x)+ w' sin(x)= 0. That leaves y'= -v sin(x)+ w cos(x) so now y"= -v' sin(x)- v cos(x)+ w' cos(x)- w sin(x). Again, we narrow to those u, v, w satisfying -v' sin(x)+ w' cos(x)= 0 and have y"= -v cos(x)- w sin(x). Differentiating one more time y"'= -v' cos(x)+ v sin(x)- w'sin(x)- w cos(x). Putting that and y'= -vsin(x)+ w cos(x) into the eqation, v' cos(x)+ v sin(x)- w' sin(x)- w cos(x)- vsin(x)+ wcos(x)= v' cos(x)- w'sin(x)= tan(x). We now have three equations:

u'+ v' cos(x)+ w' sin(x)= 0
-v' sin(x)+ w' cos(x)= 0
v' cos(x)- w' sin(x)= tan(x)
To solve for u', v' and w'.
 

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