How Can Photons Be Massless Yet Have Energy According to Einstein's Equations?

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The discussion centers around the apparent contradiction of how photons can be massless yet possess energy, as described by Einstein's equations. Participants explore the implications of mass in relation to energy for both massive and massless particles, examining the equations that govern these relationships.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how photons can have energy if they are massless, citing the equation E = mc², which implies zero energy for zero mass.
  • Another participant clarifies that E = mc² is only applicable to stationary massive objects and introduces the more general equation m²c⁴ = E² - p²c², indicating that massless objects can have energy if their momentum is considered.
  • A third participant reiterates the initial question and emphasizes that the full equation E² = p²c² + m²c⁴ applies to all particles, concluding that for massless photons, the energy equation simplifies to E = pc.
  • Another participant highlights the distinction between rest energy and total energy, suggesting that the rest energy equation E₀ = mc² is relevant but only for particles with mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of Einstein's equations to massless particles, with some emphasizing the need for momentum in the energy calculation while others focus on the implications of rest energy. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of these equations in the context of massless photons.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the limitations of applying E = mc² to massless particles and the need to consider momentum in energy calculations. There is also a distinction made between rest energy and total energy, which may affect interpretations.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying physics, particularly in understanding the relationship between mass and energy, as well as the implications of Einstein's equations for different types of particles.

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How can photons be massless if they have energy?
Since E = mc^2, how can photons be massless? If a photon has no mass, then, according to Einstein's formula, its energy is given by E = 0 x c^2, which is 0. Yet, photons do have energy. This seems to be a complete contradiction. Please explain! Thank you.
 
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ginevradabenci said:
Since E = mc^2, how can photons be massless?
That formula is only correct for stationary massive objects. The general formula is ##m^2c^4=E^2-p^2c^2##, from which you can see that you can have zero mass objects with non-zero energy as long as their momentum, ##p##, satisfies ##E=|p|c##.
 
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ginevradabenci said:
TL;DR Summary: How can photons be massless if they have energy?

Since E = mc^2, how can photons be massless? If a photon has no mass, then, according to Einstein's formula, its energy is given by E = 0 x c^2, which is 0. Yet, photons do have energy. This seems to be a complete contradiction. Please explain! Thank you.
The equation ##E = mc^2## only applies to a particle with mass. And, indeed, that's its energy only when it is at rest. The full equation is:
$$ E^2 = p^2c^2 + m^2c^4$$Where ##p## is the magnitide of the particle's momentum. This equation applies to all particles, whether they have mass or not, and whether they have kinetic energy or not. For a photon with zero mass, the equation reduces to ##E = pc##.
 
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ginevradabenci said:
Since E = mc^2, how can photons be massless?
Because the correct equation is ##E_o=mc^2## where ##E_o## is the so-called rest energy. Rest energy is one of Einstein's greatest discoveries.
 
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