How can superconductors be used to protect spaceships from radiation in space?

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The discussion centers on the potential use of superconductors to protect spaceships from radiation in space, exploring theoretical applications of superconducting magnetic fields for deflecting charged particles. Participants consider both the feasibility and implications of such technology in the context of interstellar travel and radiation hazards.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a giant superconducting magnetic field could help protect spaceships by deflecting charged particles, considering the cold environment of space as conducive to maintaining superconductors.
  • Others argue that the size of the superconducting field would need to be very powerful to have a noticeable impact on relativistic charged particles, though details on this are lacking.
  • A participant suggests the idea of using a funnel-shaped superconductor to channel particles for solar sail propulsion, but another counters that solar sails do not operate on charged particles and that relativistic particles tend to penetrate materials rather than accelerate them.
  • One participant references a paper discussing various shielding methods, including magnetic shielding, and notes that effective magnetic shielding would require an electron stripper. They express hope that shielding from radiation in interstellar travel is within reach of existing technology.
  • Calculations are presented regarding the collection of hydrogen atoms from interstellar space, with a participant speculating on the potential propulsive effects of using collected particles as thrust material at relativistic speeds.

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Participants express a range of ideas and hypotheses regarding the use of superconductors for radiation protection, with no consensus reached on the effectiveness or practicality of these concepts. Disagreements arise particularly around the feasibility of using superconductors for deflecting charged particles and the implications for solar sails.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific conditions for superconductivity, the need for further exploration of the effectiveness of magnetic shielding, and unresolved calculations regarding the collection and use of interstellar hydrogen.

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This might be another silly question but here it goes;

I was reading how " A superconductor excludes the lines of magnetic force" http://www.aip.org/history/mod/superconductivity/01.html and I'm wondering if a giant superconducting magnetic field could help protect spaceships/space stations by deflecting charged particles? It's not a totally impractical question considering how cold space is it shouldn't be hard to maintain a large superconductor . . .Regards,
JDM
 
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John d Marano said:
This might be another silly question but here it goes;

I was reading how " A superconductor excludes the lines of magnetic force" http://www.aip.org/history/mod/superconductivity/01.html and I'm wondering if a giant superconducting magnetic field could help protect spaceships/space stations by deflecting charged particles? It's not a totally impractical question considering how cold space is it shouldn't be hard to maintain a large superconductor . . .Regards,
JDM
(bolding mine)

I think that's what caught me off guard, the first time I read it, many years ago.
It has since been revised:

wiki said:
The Meissner effect is the expulsion of a magnetic field from a superconductor during its transition to the superconducting state.
 
John d Marano said:
...and I'm wondering if a giant superconducting magnetic field could help protect spaceships/space stations by deflecting charged particles? It's not a totally impractical question considering how cold space is it shouldn't be hard to maintain a large superconductor . . .

That's a good question. Since the field is so small in size (compared to the Earth's field), it would probably have to be very powerful to have a noticeable impact on relativistic charged particles. Unfortunately I don't know any details.
 
Drakkith said:
That's a good question. Since the field is so small in size (compared to the Earth's field), it would probably have to be very powerful to have a noticeable impact on relativistic charged particles. Unfortunately I don't know any details.

Can't sleep tonight [again] so I'll wonder aloud;

If superconducting fields can deflect relativistic charged particles I wonder if a funnel shaped superconductor could channel those particles to fuel a solar sail . . .

JDM
 
John d Marano said:
Can't sleep tonight [again] so I'll wonder aloud;

If superconducting fields can deflect relativistic charged particles I wonder if a funnel shaped superconductor could channel those particles to fuel a solar sail . . .

JDM

Solar sails don't work off of charged particles. Besides, relativistic particles tend to go through things rather than simply impact and accelerate them. This tends to damage the material as well.
 
I just finished reading a paper on this problem:
RADIATION HAZARD OF RELATIVISTIC INTERSTELLAR FLIGHT
by Oleg G. Semyonov

He lists some very good ideas:
Water, aluminum, titanium, and magnetic shielding.
The magnetic shield requires an electron stripper to be effective.

His last line seems hopeful:

Oleg Semyonov said:
Nevertheless, the shielding of relativistic starships from hard ionizing radiation produced by interstellar gas and cosmic rays does not seem to be far beyond existing technology.

His graph "b" on page 4 is interesting. With no shielding, at v = 0.1c, the radiation level is 90 REM/sec. Which from my memory, yields an LD-50 in only 5 seconds!

Hmmm...
0.1c = 30,000,000 m/sec
vessel radius = 5 m
vessel frontal area = π*102 = 78.5 m2
interstellar composition(from Oleg's paper) = 89% hydrogen + 10% helium + 1% other
interstellar density = 2E5 atoms/m3
hydrogen to deal with = 4.71E14 atoms/sec
mass of hydrogen atom = 1.66E-27 kg
Just calculating for the hydrogen, we get 0.000000000000782 kg collected or deflected per second.
Doesn't sound too difficult.

I do like the idea of collecting the hydrogen though.
Someone should figure out what the propulsive effect would be if we used particle accelerators to use them as thrust material, at say, 0.99c.
It seems such a waste to just throw things away.
But then the ship would accelerate to relativistically significant speeds, and then things would get way over my head.
Never mind.

hmmm...
γ = 1/√(1-v^2/c^2) = 7.09 @ 0.99c
mass of vehicle = 320000 kg (10 x a Greyhound bus. We're going to need a small nuclear reactor)
KE of hydrogen propellant = (γ-1)*mc^2 = 429,000 joules
Δv of vessel per second = √(2*ke/m) = 1.64 m/s
Time to accelerate to 0.2c = 7 months.
yup. Way over my head.
 

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