Q: Personal magnetic fields: Protection from space radiation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of personal magnetic fields as a means of protection from space radiation, particularly in the context of human safety in space environments. Participants explore the effectiveness of magnetic fields and other shielding methods against various types of radiation encountered in space.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about the strength and lethality of space radiation, suggesting that much of it originates from the sun.
  • There is a proposal that magnetic fields primarily deflect particle radiation, while the atmosphere handles electromagnetic radiation.
  • A participant questions the optimal placement and strength of a personal magnet for radiation protection in space, seeking specific details on its effectiveness.
  • Another participant shares a NASA link regarding astronaut protection but notes that it does not address the materials used for personal shielding against radiation.
  • Concerns are raised about the size and practicality of personal shields, with a suggestion that a smaller sphere (3m diameter) would suffice compared to larger toroidal designs (5m).
  • There is a discussion about the potential costs of hybrid magnetic shields and inquiries into the size of the Earth's magnetic field's toroidal analogue.
  • One participant asserts that personal shielding is effectively provided by space suits, while questioning the practicality of using large magnets for protection due to their mass and the implications of magnetic saturation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effectiveness or practicality of personal magnetic fields for radiation protection. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the specifics of shielding methods and their implementation.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of detailed information on the effectiveness of different shielding materials and methods, as well as unresolved questions about the practicality and costs associated with personal magnetic shields.

Algren
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I have no idea how lethal/strong space radiation is, but i do have an idea that most of it is from the sun perhaps?
I also know that the prime factor to deflect this radiation is magnetic field and the ozone layer. I think the magnetic field handles only particle radiation and atmosphere handles the e/m radiation? idk.

What i wish to ask if there is a naked human out in space, where should i locate a personal magnet (to optimize strength/protection) and how strong should it be to protect from that part of radiation which can be deflected by the magnetic field efficiently?
 
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Algren said:
I have no idea how lethal/strong space radiation is, but i do have an idea that most of it is from the sun perhaps?
I also know that the prime factor to deflect this radiation is magnetic field and the ozone layer. I think the magnetic field handles only particle radiation and atmosphere handles the e/m radiation? idk.

What i wish to ask if there is a naked human out in space, where should i locate a personal magnet (to optimize strength/protection) and how strong should it be to protect from that part of radiation which can be deflected by the magnetic field efficiently?

You can start with this NASA page about how astronauts are protected in space...

http://srag.jsc.nasa.gov/spaceradiation/how/how.cfm

:smile:
 
berkeman said:
You can start with this NASA page about how astronauts are protected in space...

http://srag.jsc.nasa.gov/spaceradiation/how/how.cfm

:smile:

The info about radiological ground/terra support and radiological on site support with the help of prediction programmes and detection instruments is interesting. This only tells me how the safety of a mission is judged, and not about the actual materials used to protect the astronauts first hand from the radiations, and certainly not how different types of radiations are deflected by different anti-radiation equipment.
 
berkeman said:
Oops, apologies. I only skimmed it after finding it via Google.

This link does discuss shielding as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_threat_from_cosmic_rays

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Thanks, although it still doesn't seem to answer the question of personal shields. Its assuming 5m toroidal sizes, when actually all a human needs at max is a sphere of diameter 3m. How expensive would the hybrid version of a personal shield be though? and another q: how large is the toroidal analogue of Earth's magnetic field?

+ Apparently, the few references i saw about the impossibility of hybrid magnetic field are older than me, so i guess its outdated? I'm pretty sure shielding is very important if you're planning to settle humans in mars, because Mars has very low shielding.
 
Algren said:
Thanks, although it still doesn't seem to answer the question of personal shields. Its assuming 5m toroidal sizes, when actually all a human needs at max is a sphere of diameter 3m. How expensive would the hybrid version of a personal shield be though? and another q: how large is the toroidal analogue of Earth's magnetic field?

+ Apparently, the few references i saw about the impossibility of hybrid magnetic field are older than me, so i guess its outdated? I'm pretty sure shielding is very important if you're planning to settle humans in mars, because Mars has very low shielding.

Personal shielding is a space suit.

And there is a practical reason that using a big magnet is not a very good way to try to shield yourself in space -- can you think of what that reason might be? :smile:
 
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Big magnet = big mass - very impractical to lug around. You can moderate that with more power, but, more power also = big mass. You must also consider magnetic saturation of your field coil core before you go power crazy.
 

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