How Can the Big Bang Occur Without Time?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of time in relation to the Big Bang, questioning how such an event could occur without the existence of time. Participants explore theoretical implications, the nature of scientific knowledge, and the boundaries of understanding in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that time was created at the Big Bang, raising questions about how the event could occur without time.
  • Others challenge the assertion that nothing can happen without time, asking for scientific references to support this claim.
  • There is a suggestion that the Big Bang may not have been a real event, but rather a reflection of our incomplete understanding of early universe physics.
  • Some participants argue that science inherently deals with the unknown, while questioning the characterization of science as dealing with the supernatural.
  • Counterquestioning is discussed as a valid technique in debates, with some participants defending its use while others criticize it as unproductive.
  • One participant expresses frustration over the lack of references provided to support claims made in the discussion.
  • There is a contention regarding the nature of scientific inquiry and its limitations, particularly concerning knowledge at the Planck scale.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on the nature of time and the Big Bang, with multiple competing views and ongoing debate about the implications of scientific understanding and the use of counterquestioning in discussions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the absence of specific scientific references to support claims about time and the Big Bang, as well as unresolved definitions of key terms such as "time" and "supernatural."

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Time was created at big bang.

Science says, Nothing can happen without time.

Then,

How did bigbang happen, when there was no time prior to it.
 
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enquirealways said:
Science says, Nothing can happen without time.

Where does science say that?
 
enquirealways said:
How did bigbang happen, when there was no time prior to it.

We don't know how the big bang happened. We don't even know if the big bang was a real event or just a result of our incomplete knowledge of physics at the energies and densities of the very early universe.
 
Nugatory said:
Where does science say that?


Please give examples, where science doesn't say that.

By the way, counter questioning is not a good way to satisfy somebody's curiosity.
 
Drakkith said:
We don't know how the big bang happened. We don't even know if the big bang was a real event or just a result of our incomplete knowledge of physics at the energies and densities of the very early universe.


Then can it be said that all science basically deals with the supernatural/unknown/unknowable, given the present status of knowledge regarding the origin of our universe?
 
enquirealways said:
Please give examples, where science doesn't say that.

No, this is not how this forum works. If you make the statement, then you need to back that up. So please provide references where science says something like that.

This is like I'm accusing you of beating your wife, you saying no and then me asking to prove that you didn't. It's not correct. The burden of proof would be on me, not on you.

And counterquestioning is a perfectly valid technique. I don't really see what's wrong with it. He just asked you to clarify your position, how is that a bad thing.

So please provide an example where science says anything like you implied in the OP.
 
enquirealways said:
Then can it be said that all science basically deals with the supernatural/unknown/unknowable, given the present status of knowledge regarding the origin of our universe?

I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that science deals with the supernatural. The universe exists and is (by definition almost) natural.

It's true that science deals with the unkown. That's the very nature of science, to try to know more about the world!
 
micromass said:
No, this is not how this forum works. If you make the statement, then you need to back that up. So please provide references where science says something like that.

This is like I'm accusing you of beating your wife, you saying no and then me asking to prove that you didn't. It's not correct. The burden of proof would be on me, not on you.

And counterquestioning is a perfectly valid technique. I don't really see what's wrong with it. He just asked you to clarify your position, how is that a bad thing.

So please provide an example where science says anything like you implied in the OP.

I am not a scientist who is debating something, i am a layman and i think this forum is for everyone. If not, do tell me.

As regards counterquestioning, it should be used in professional debates only. To go by your logic, nugatory should ask me the following questions also.

1. Who says time was created at big bang?

2. Where does science say, big bang happened?

3. Give the definition of time first.

This way, no discussion can proceed.
 
micromass said:
I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that science deals with the supernatural. The universe exists and is (by definition almost) natural.

It's true that science deals with the unkown. That's the very nature of science, to try to know more about the world!


When science says ( now don't ask me where it says so) that, in principle we cannot know below the plank level, the unknown does become the supernatural.
 

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