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The discussion revolves around solving for the coefficients \( c_j \) in the general solution of the initial value problem \( u'(t) = Au(t) \) with given eigenvalues and eigenvectors of the matrix \( A \). Participants explore various methods to express \( c_j \) based on the initial condition \( u(0) = u^0 \) and the properties of the eigenvectors.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the coefficients \( c_j \) can be found using a dot product approach with the eigenvectors.
  • There is a suggestion that the expression \( u^0 = \sum_{j=1}^m c_j \phi^{(j)} \) can be rearranged to isolate \( c_j \) using the inverse of the matrix formed by the eigenvectors.
  • One participant questions whether the eigenvectors \( \phi^{(j)} \) are functions of \( t \) and whether they should be evaluated at \( t=0 \).
  • Another participant asserts that the product is not commutative, leading to a discussion about the correct formulation for isolating \( c_j \).
  • A participant mentions a formula found in a book that involves the dot product and expresses concern about the assumptions made regarding the orthonormality of the eigenvectors.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the matrix \( A \) being symmetric for the orthonormality of the eigenvectors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the eigenvectors and the conditions under which the coefficients can be determined. There is no consensus on the correct method to isolate \( c_j \) or the assumptions regarding the eigenvectors.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that additional information, such as the symmetry of matrix \( A \), may be necessary to simplify the expressions and assumptions regarding the eigenvectors.

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Hey! :o

We have the initial value problem $$u'(t)=Au(t) \ \ , \ \ 0 \leq t \leq T \\ u(0)=u^0 \\ u \in \mathbb{R}^m$$ A is a $m \times m$ matrix

The eigenvalues of $A$ are $\lambda_j$ and the corresponding eigenvectors are $\phi^{(j)}$.

The general solution of initial value problem is $$u(t)=\sum_{j=1}^m c_j e^{\lambda_jt}\phi^{(j)}$$

right??

For $t=0$ we have $$u^0=\sum_{j=1}^m c_j \phi^{(j)}$$ How can we solve for $c_j$ ?? (Wondering)

Do we maybe have to use a dot product?? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
Hey! :o

We have the initial value problem $$u'(t)=Au(t) \ \ , \ \ 0 \leq t \leq T \\ u(0)=u^0 \\ u \in \mathbb{R}^m$$ A is a $m \times m$ matrix

The eigenvalues of $A$ are $\lambda_j$ and the corresponding eigenvectors are $\phi^{(j)}$.

The general solution of initial value problem is $$u(t)=\sum_{j=1}^m c_j e^{\lambda_jt}\phi^{(j)}$$

right??

For $t=0$ we have $$u^0=\sum_{j=1}^m c_j \phi^{(j)}$$ How can we solve for $c_j$ ?? (Wondering)

Do we maybe have to use a dot product?? (Wondering)

Hi! (Wave)

Let's make that:
$$u^0=\sum_{j=1}^m c_j \phi^{(j)} = \Big(\phi^{(j)}\Big) \begin{bmatrix}c_1\\c_2\\\vdots\\c_n\end{bmatrix}$$
See how we can solve it for $c_j$? (Wondering)
 
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I like Serena said:
Let's make that:
$$u^0=\sum_{j=1}^m c_j \phi^{(j)}(0) = \Big(\phi^{(j)}(0)\Big) \begin{bmatrix}c_1\\c_2\\\vdots\\c_n\end{bmatrix}$$
See how we can solve it for $c_j$? (Wondering)

Are the eigenvectors $\phi^{(j)}$ a function of $t$?? (Wondering) Because you write $\phi^{(j)}(0)$.

$\Big (\phi^{(j)}(0)\Big )$ is a matrix, isn't it?? (Wondering) So, we have to find the inverse, or not??
 
mathmari said:
Are the eigenvectors $\phi^{(j)}$ a function of $t$?? (Wondering) Because you write $\phi^{(j)}(0)$.

No I didn't! (Blush)

$\phi^{(j)}$ is a matrix, isn't it?? (Wondering) So, we have to find the inverse, or not??

Yep. (Nod)
 
I like Serena said:
Yep. (Nod)

So, $$u^0\Big (\phi^{(j)}\Big )^{-1}=\begin{bmatrix}
c_1\\
c_2\\
\cdot\\
\cdot\\
\cdot \\
c_m
\end{bmatrix}$$ Is this correct?? (Wondering)

Now we have the vector $\begin{bmatrix}
c_1\\
c_2\\
\cdot\\
\cdot\\
\cdot \\
c_m
\end{bmatrix}$. How can we write the formula for $c_j$ ?? (Wondering)

I found in my book the following solution $$u(t)=\sum_{j=1}^m e^{\lambda t}(u(0), \phi^{(j)})\phi^{(j)}$$ where $(\cdot , \cdot)$ is the euclidean dot product.
But how did we find that?? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
So, $$u^0\Big (\phi^{(j)}\Big )^{-1}=\begin{bmatrix}
c_1\\
c_2\\
\cdot\\
\cdot\\
\cdot \\
c_m
\end{bmatrix}$$ Is this correct?? (Wondering)

The product is not commutative, so that should be
$$\Big (\phi^{(j)}\Big )^{-1} u^0=\begin{bmatrix}
c_1\\
c_2\\
\cdot\\
\cdot\\
\cdot \\
c_m
\end{bmatrix}$$
Now we have the vector $\begin{bmatrix}
c_1\\
c_2\\
\cdot\\
\cdot\\
\cdot \\
c_m
\end{bmatrix}$. How can we write the formula for $c_j$ ?? (Wondering)

That is a formula for $c_j$. To simplify it, we'd need more information, like $A$ being symmetric. (Wasntme)

I found in my book the following solution $$u(t)=\sum_{j=1}^m e^{\lambda t}(u(0), \phi^{(j)})\phi^{(j)}$$ where $(\cdot , \cdot)$ is the euclidean dot product.
But how did we find that?? (Wondering)

Looks there is an assumption in there that the eigenvectors are orthonormal.
I think that is only possible if the matrix $A$ is symmetric, but that does not seem to be given - or is it? (Wondering)
 

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