How Can We Hold Governments Accountable for Using Exclusive File Formats?

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of accessing government documents provided in proprietary file formats, which some participants find frustrating and limiting. The conversation touches on issues of transparency, accessibility, and the implications of using non-standard formats in official communications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses annoyance at receiving documents in proprietary formats, arguing that it is unfair and limits access to public information.
  • Another participant suggests that free, open-source viewers are available for many formats, questioning the necessity of proprietary software.
  • A participant mentions difficulties with large document sizes and compatibility issues with their installed software.
  • There are suggestions to request documents via traditional mail or fax as an alternative to digital formats.
  • One participant shares a link to a database that may assist in finding information, although they clarify that their current interest is in government spending rather than scientific data.
  • Another participant expresses a desire for data in a simple ASCII format for easier manipulation and analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to address the issue of proprietary formats. Some suggest alternative methods for obtaining information, while others emphasize the limitations imposed by these formats.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of frustration with proprietary formats and the accessibility of public information, highlighting the dependence on specific software and the challenges of working with large documents.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals concerned with government transparency, accessibility of public documents, and the implications of using proprietary software in official communications.

Must I pay for official/legual public information ?

  • No, it should be free

    Votes: 1 25.0%
  • Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Oh no ! Not another poll...

    Votes: 2 50.0%
  • Other (please explain) / Don't care / Feeling asleep

    Votes: 1 25.0%

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Hey guys,

I would appreciate your opinions on the following (to me, very annoying) issue.

Some people above me in the administration of this place keep sending me emails, with documents I must read, in a format I do not want to use. You probably understand, or even are familiar with this. I mean, there is one format which is defined as being "portable document format" which everyone can use without ever having bad surprises, or "unexpected features".

Then later today, as I was searching for official public information our governements must provide to us the people, bang once again a proprietary format which I cannot read without buying an expensive software, which I do not trust anyway... This really not fair. It does not really matter what exactly this was I was searching on the web (I was trying to figure out how they spend the money I give them for taxes :biggrin: I guess they spend it buying bugged software :-p) but the principle revolts me.

Is there not an official way to complain about that, not going to legual action ? What do you think ?
 
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Well, you can complain, but I doubt it will do much good. What format are you talking about? You can get free, open-source viewers for pretty much any format in existence.

- Warren
 
chroot said:
What format are you talking about? You can get free, open-source viewers for pretty much any format in existence.
I have installed them. However
  • those kind of documents are insanly huge for the content they have
  • the document I tried to open earlier would not open with the version I have
 
You could probably just call them and have them send you the documents via mail, or fax.

- Warren
 
chroot said:
You could probably just call them and have them send you the documents via mail, or fax.
Indeed that would work. But what I need is a good old ASCII table, which I can play with how I like. If I get this information printed, I will have to copy collumns of budget figures... in the end, I would actually give up :cry:

I will update my free software, hopefully that will do.
 
Evo said:
humanino, have you tried this database for searches?

http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/
I did not know this. Thank you very much for this great link :smile:

But what I am looking at right now is not scientific, is the way the french governement spends my money I had an argument with a friend of mine, and I thought it would be good to actually look at it with numbers instead of just disagreeing on the basis of opinions :rolleyes:
 

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