How Can We Reconnect with Nature as Scientists?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between scientists, particularly physicists and biochemists, and their engagement with nature. Participants explore the contrast between professional scientific work and personal enjoyment of the natural world, touching on themes of lifestyle, recreational activities, and the sacrifices made in pursuit of scientific careers.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that professional scientists become increasingly detached from the natural world, focusing more on data and lab work than on experiencing nature directly.
  • One participant questions how many astrophysicists or astronomers actually observe the night sky through telescopes, suggesting that many do, based on their experiences at a university.
  • Another participant shares a personal anecdote about the popularity of rock-climbing and hiking among particle physicists, noting a historical trend that may still hold true.
  • Some participants resonate with the desire to live a simpler life connected to nature, expressing a wish to escape the confines of laboratory work.
  • One participant suggests that the love of nature and scientific exploration can coexist, advocating for a balance between personal hobbies and professional pursuits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus; participants express a range of views on the relationship between scientific work and personal engagement with nature, with some agreeing on the need for balance while others highlight differing experiences and perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants' reflections are influenced by personal experiences and feelings, particularly in relation to the changing seasons, which may affect their views on nature and scientific work.

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The job of a physicist is to study nature, but how many actually get out and experience nature?

It seems that the more professional someone becomes, the less interested they are in actually enjoying the things they study - it all becomes about data and graphs and lab work.

How many astrophysicists or astronomers actually go out at night and look up at the night sky, or through a telescope with their eye god forbid?

How many biochemists take the time to walk in a wild field and breath in the life around them? I do enjoy learning about physics and I'd like to make a career of it one day, but at the same time I really don't like the idea of always being couped up in a lab or chained to a computer chair. I'd like to live in the mountains one day when I'm older and fish and hunt, and chop wood and read infront of a fireplace through the long winter and live a simple life...

Maybe I'm just feeling this way because it's the start of spring, but as much as I am fascinated and find studying nature inspirational, I am somewhat horrified by the way in which it is done and the sacrifices one has to make to pursue it. Any other people feel this way?
 
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pergradus said:
How many astrophysicists or astronomers actually go out at night and look up at the night sky, or through a telescope with their eye god forbid?

I'd guess most of them. The ones at my university do.
 
pergradus said:
How many astrophysicists or astronomers actually go out at night and look up at the night sky, or through a telescope with their eye god forbid?

I do.
 
I was quite surprised about 30 years ago to discover that the overwhelmingly most popular recreational activity for particle physicists was rock-climbing and/or back-pack hiking. I don't know whether or not that still applies.
 
Judging by some of the avatars here, that would still seem to be the case.
 
pergradus said:
How many biochemists take the time to walk in a wild field and breath in the life around them? I do enjoy learning about physics and I'd like to make a career of it one day, but at the same time I really don't like the idea of always being couped up in a lab or chained to a computer chair. I'd like to live in the mountains one day when I'm older and fish and hunt, and chop wood and read infront of a fireplace through the long winter and live a simple life...

My feelings precisely. Moreover, that's exactly what I'm doing next Summer before I start grad school. Going to drive to the middle of nowhere and set up camp...
 
Danger said:
I was quite surprised about 30 years ago to discover that the overwhelmingly most popular recreational activity for particle physicists was rock-climbing and/or back-pack hiking. I don't know whether or not that still applies.
It's not surprising if you think about it. A lot of particle physicists spend several weeks a year at CERN, with the [STRIKE]Swiss[/STRIKE]French Alps in their backyard. Going back a few decades before that, a significant fraction of the community included Cosmic Ray physicists. And if you wanted good fluxes, you had to work at high elevations. With that kind of work setting, you can't help but take up climbing, hiking and/or backpacking.
 
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pergradus said:
Maybe I'm just feeling this way because it's the start of spring, but as much as I am fascinated and find studying nature inspirational, I am somewhat horrified by the way in which it is done and the sacrifices one has to make to pursue it. Any other people feel this way?

It's hard work, rest is just Hollywood.
 
pergradus said:
The job of a physicist is to study nature, but how many actually get out and experience nature?

It seems that the more professional someone becomes, the less interested they are in actually enjoying the things they study - it all becomes about data and graphs and lab work.

How many astrophysicists or astronomers actually go out at night and look up at the night sky, or through a telescope with their eye god forbid?

How many biochemists take the time to walk in a wild field and breath in the life around them? I do enjoy learning about physics and I'd like to make a career of it one day, but at the same time I really don't like the idea of always being couped up in a lab or chained to a computer chair. I'd like to live in the mountains one day when I'm older and fish and hunt, and chop wood and read infront of a fireplace through the long winter and live a simple life...

Maybe I'm just feeling this way because it's the start of spring, but as much as I am fascinated and find studying nature inspirational, I am somewhat horrified by the way in which it is done and the sacrifices one has to make to pursue it. Any other people feel this way?

You need to learn to compartmentalize these things... love of nature and exploring it as a hobby, and exploring the fundamentals in through the scientific method is very different, but you can do both.
 

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