How can we say star mass affects event horizon diameter ?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between star mass and the diameter of the event horizon in black holes. Participants explore theoretical aspects of singularities, event horizons, and the implications of general relativity, as well as the mathematical foundations of these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that while star mass affects the event horizon diameter, the singularity also plays a crucial role, questioning how mass can be the sole factor.
  • Another participant argues that the singularity is a theoretical construct and that the event horizon diameter is determined solely by mass, independent of singularity considerations.
  • A participant inquires about the origins of the equations related to black holes, indicating a desire for deeper understanding.
  • Links to the Schwarzschild metric are provided, suggesting that it is an important solution to Einstein's field equations relevant to the discussion.
  • It is noted that understanding the relationship between mass and event horizon radius requires mathematical insights from general relativity, with emphasis on the variability of observations based on different geometries.
  • Discussion includes the idea that degenerate matter may prevent black hole formation in stars with insufficient mass, but that collapse to a singularity appears inevitable for sufficiently massive stars.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of singularities versus mass in determining event horizon diameter, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding the exact nature of singularities and event horizons, as well as the mathematical steps involved in deriving relevant equations. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainties in the field.

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Star mass affects event horizons diameter.But we know that Black hole's foundation is singularity so we can understand that singularity affects event horizon diameter.
Example:Imagine there are two stars, first star mass is 5 star mass second one is 7 star mass so If we think when they transform black hole both of them wiil be create singularity.So there are two same singularity.We know singularity affects event horizon diameter. How can we say star mass affects event horizon diameter.
How can we understand that r1 is longer than r ? (please look attachment)
 

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The concept of the singularity is purely theoretical. Since it is contradicted by quantum theory, no one really knows what happens inside a black hole. The diameter of the event horizon is determined by the mass, irrespective of what happens inside.
 
How did Physicists find this equations ? Have you any idea about this subject ?
 
The Schwarzschild metric is an exact solution to Einstein's field equations.
 
You can only understand [or maybe 'accept'] the relationship between mass and the radius of an event horizon from the mathematics of general relativity.

There are some good general insights here in sections 5 and 6 which may be of interest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity#Black_holes_and_other_compact_objects

But especially when starting out, there is not a lot of 'logic' to an event horizon. It is useful to keep in mind that, as always in relativity, different observers may record different observations. And different geometries expose different aspects of black holes and horizons.

Massive gas clouds may coalesce to form a stellar object, like a star. After sufficient energy and heat is expelled from a stellar object, after billions upon billions of years when it's nuclear fuel is largely used, then gravity has sufficient strength to cause some collapse of the remaining matter. What we think we understand is that highly compressed matter, called degenerate matter, might prevent the formation of a black hole in a stellar object with insufficient mass. But once the mass is sufficiently large, collapse to a singularity with an event horizon seems inevitable. Exactly what remains is uncertain.

For more reading, check out supermassive black hole in Wikipedia.
 

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