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How can we see galaxies behind other galaxies?
How can we see galaxies behind other galaxies?
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In summary: But it's close in analogy, given an FLRW universe, which is ##S^3##, rather than ##S^2##. So with an extra dimension of freedom over ##S^2## space, the occlusion of one galaxy by another would be less.Yes, the analogy is close. However, as far as we know, the universe only has the two dimensions of space. So adding an extra dimension doesn't change the fact that one galaxy can sometimes be "behind" another.
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Sometimes, by exploiting gravitational lensing.theironmaiden said:
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Galaxies aren't opaque objects. There is an immense amount of space between stars and planets. The only time something truly blocks our line of sight is if it is a large dust cloud (and sometimes we can just switch to another wavelength to image at and see past it).
The only reason galaxies look like they are large, solid objects is because of the way light works when you focus it down onto a detector. It doesn't get concentrated into a perfect spot, but into a small 'blur'. So when you see a bright, colorful galaxy in an image, you're seeing the slightly blurred light from a trillion stars. With the proper software you can actually remove the light from the image and see certain details that you cannot see otherwise. For example, I can take an image of the Andromeda galaxy, run it through my image processing software, and remove much of the galaxy's glow, allowing me to see the full extent of its dust lanes that you wouldn't normally be able to see.
The only reason galaxies look like they are large, solid objects is because of the way light works when you focus it down onto a detector. It doesn't get concentrated into a perfect spot, but into a small 'blur'. So when you see a bright, colorful galaxy in an image, you're seeing the slightly blurred light from a trillion stars. With the proper software you can actually remove the light from the image and see certain details that you cannot see otherwise. For example, I can take an image of the Andromeda galaxy, run it through my image processing software, and remove much of the galaxy's glow, allowing me to see the full extent of its dust lanes that you wouldn't normally be able to see.
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Sorry, I am not exactly sure how to phrase my question.
If the universe began at the big bang, wouldn't all galaxies be arranged sort of on the surface of "an expanding balloon", so to speak?
Yet, I have read about galaxies behind other galaxies, at great distance! This geometry doesn't seem to me to support this. Even acounting for "local" skewing of distribution of matter.
If the universe began at the big bang, wouldn't all galaxies be arranged sort of on the surface of "an expanding balloon", so to speak?
Yet, I have read about galaxies behind other galaxies, at great distance! This geometry doesn't seem to me to support this. Even acounting for "local" skewing of distribution of matter.
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You might want to read this page from one of our members (Phinds) about the Balloon Analogy. It isn't intended to be an absolute description of the universe.theironmaiden said:
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Didn't clear this up.
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The galaxies are not arranged "on the surface" as you've stated. The expanding balloon analogy is only meant to describe in layman's terms how objects can appear to move relative to each other as the universe expands. The analogy only describes obects on the surface of an arbitrary sphere. That sphere could be located anywhere in the universe. The point that it tries to make is that all objects at a given distance from any observer, anywhere in the universe, have the same redshift. The balloon analogy has nothing to do with how galaxies were distributed.
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theironmaiden said:
The surface of the balloon is a 2d surface, so it obviously cannot be an accurate description of reality, nor is it intended to be. It is just an analogy, a way of explaining how expansion works. In addition, the big bang theory does not have a point of origin. We do not see galaxies flying away from a single point in space.
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theironmaiden said:
Welcome to the PF.
There are a couple of FAQ threads that should help you out. There is one pinned to the top of this Astrophysics forum to address your original questions:
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/astronomy-and-cosmology-faq-list.807521/
And there is one about the Balloon Analogy pinned to the top of the Cosmology forum as well.
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Drakkith said:
But it's close in analogy, given an FLRW universe, which is ##S^3##, rather than ##S^2##. So with an extra dimension of freedom over ##S^2## space, the occlusion of one galaxy by another would be less.
[Hmm. Actually, what I've described would be a deSitter universe, which could be an FLRW universe with positive curvature. I'm still learning.]
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FAQ: How can we see galaxies behind other galaxies?
1. How do we know that there are galaxies behind other galaxies?
The existence of galaxies behind other galaxies is inferred through observations made by telescopes and other instruments. These observations include the redshift of light from distant galaxies, gravitational lensing effects, and the detection of faint background galaxies that are partially obscured by foreground galaxies.
2. How does gravitational lensing allow us to see galaxies behind other galaxies?
Gravitational lensing is a phenomenon where the gravity of a massive object, such as a galaxy, bends the path of light from a more distant object behind it. This bending of light allows us to see objects that would otherwise be hidden behind the foreground galaxy, giving us a glimpse of the galaxies behind it.
3. What is the role of redshift in seeing galaxies behind other galaxies?
Redshift is a measure of how much the light from an object has been stretched or shifted towards the red end of the electromagnetic spectrum. This phenomenon occurs when an object is moving away from us at high speeds. By measuring the redshift of light from distant galaxies, we can estimate their distance from us and determine if there are other galaxies behind them.
4. Are there any limitations to our ability to see galaxies behind other galaxies?
Yes, there are limitations to our ability to see galaxies behind other galaxies. The main limitation is the obscuring effects of dust and gas within the foreground galaxy. These materials can block or absorb light from the background galaxies, making it difficult to see them. Additionally, the distance and orientation of the background galaxies also play a role in our ability to see them.
5. How does the study of galaxies behind other galaxies contribute to our understanding of the universe?
Studying galaxies behind other galaxies allows us to better understand the structure and evolution of the universe. By observing how galaxies interact and how they are distributed throughout the universe, we can gain insight into the processes that shape the cosmos. Furthermore, the study of galaxies behind other galaxies can also provide evidence for the existence of dark matter and dark energy, which are important components in our current understanding of the universe.