How can we show that a has a left inverse?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of non-invertible elements in a ring, specifically focusing on the conditions under which a non-invertible element can have a left inverse. Participants explore the implications of these properties on the structure of ideals within the ring.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if an element \( a \) in the set of non-invertible elements \( I \) has a right inverse, it leads to a contradiction regarding the properties of \( I \).
  • Others argue that if \( a \) has both a left and right inverse, it is invertible, and thus cannot belong to \( I \).
  • A participant suggests that if \( ar \) is not in \( I \), it leads to contradictions regarding the closure properties of \( I \).
  • Some participants question how to demonstrate that \( a \) has a left inverse, expressing uncertainty about the choice of \( r \) in their arguments.
  • One participant presents a counterexample involving functions to argue that \( I \) may not be an ideal, raising questions about the definitions and properties of the elements involved.
  • Another participant confirms that if \( I \) is a proper ideal, it must contain non-invertible elements, leading to discussions about the uniqueness of maximal right ideals.

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Participants express differing views on whether \( I \) can be considered an ideal and the implications of non-invertible elements having left inverses. There is no consensus on how to conclusively show that \( a \) has a left inverse, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the properties of \( I \) and its maximality.

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Participants note that the closure properties of \( I \) under addition and the implications of having both left and right inverses are critical to the discussion, but these properties remain under debate. The definitions and assumptions regarding the elements of \( R \) and \( I \) are also questioned, particularly in the context of the counterexample presented.

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Hey! :o

Let $R$ be a ring and $I$ the set of non-invertible elements of $R$.

If $(I,+)$ is an additive subgroup of $(R,+)$, then show that $I$ is an ideal of $R$ and so $R$ is local. I have done the following:

Let $a\in I$ and $r\in R$.
We suppose that $ar$ is invertible, then $$1=(ar)(ar)^{-1}\Rightarrow 1=a(r(ar)^{-1})$$ That means that $a$ has a right inverse.
Now it is left show that $a$ has also a left inverse. That would mean that $a$ is invertible, a contradiction.

Is this correct? (Wondering)

But how exactly can we show that $a$ has also a left inverse? (Wondering)
 
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It looks good so far, and yes, if $a$ has both a left and right inverse, it is invertible (proof: if $ax = 1$ and $ya = 1$ for some $x,y\in R$, then $x = (ya)x = y(ax) = y$; therefore, $a$ is invertible). To see that $a$ has a right inverse, let $c = (ar)^{-1}$. Since $a\in I$ and $1\notin I$, then $1 - a\notin I$; otherwise, by closure of $I$ under addition, $1 = (1 - a) + a\in I$, a contradiction. So using the equation $arc = 1$, we have $1 - a = arc - a = a(rc - 1)$; thus $a(rc - 1)\notin I$, i.e., $a(rc - 1)$ is invertible. There exists $b\in R$ such that $a(rc-1)b = 1$. This shows that $a$ is right-invertible with $(rc-1)b$ as a right inverse.
 
Euge said:
It looks good so far, and yes, if $a$ has both a left and right inverse, it is invertible (proof: if $ax = 1$ and $ya = 1$ for some $x,y\in R$, then $x = (ya)x = y(ax) = y$; therefore, $a$ is invertible). To see that $a$ has a right inverse, let $c = (ar)^{-1}$. Since $a\in I$ and $1\notin I$, then $1 - a\notin I$; otherwise, by closure of $I$ under addition, $1 = (1 - a) + a\in I$, a contradiction. So using the equation $arc = 1$, we have $1 - a = arc - a = a(rc - 1)$; thus $a(rc - 1)\notin I$, i.e., $a(rc - 1)$ is invertible. There exists $b\in R$ such that $a(rc-1)b = 1$. This shows that $a$ is right-invertible with $(rc-1)b$ as a right inverse.

I see... (Smile)

But how could we show that $a$ has also a left inverse? (Wondering)
Which $c$ do we take? (Wondering)
 
So sorry, I definitely need more rest. : ) I was thinking of left inverse bit instead did the right inverse in a roundabout way. I'll come back later.

Edit: So, let's try this again. We suppose $a\in I$ and $r\in R$ such that $ar\notin I$ and obtain a contradiction. Keep in mind the following fact: If $x\in I$ and $y\notin I$, then $x + y\notin I$. This is true, for otherwise $x + y\in I$ and closure under subtraction in $I$ would give $y = (x + y) - x\in I$, contrary to assumption.

If $r\notin I$, then $r^{-1}$ exists and $a = (ar)r^{-1}\notin I$, contrary to the assumption that $a\in I$. If $r\in I$, then since $ar\notin I$, $r + ar \notin I$, i.e., $(1 + a)r\in I$; also, $1 + a\notin I$ since $1\notin I$ and $a\in I$. So $(1 + a)^{-1}$ exists and $r = (1+a)^{-1}[(1 + a)r]\notin I$, a contradiction. Hence, $ar\in I$.
 
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Euge said:
If $r\in I$, then since $ar\notin I$, $r + ar \notin I$, i.e., $r(1 + a)\in I$; also, $1 + a\notin I$ since $1\notin I$ and $a\in I$. So $(1 + a)^{-1}$ exists and $r = [r(1 + a)](1 + a)^{-1}\notin I$, a contradiction.

When $r + ar \notin I$ doesn't it follow that $(1 + a)r\notin I$ ? (Wondering)

Then we have that $r =(1 + a)^{-1} [(1 + a)r]\notin I$, right? (Wondering)

We get that $(1 + a)^{-1} [(1 + a)r]\notin I$, because both of the terms $(1 + a)^{-1}$ and $(1 + a)r$ don't belong to $I$, right? (Wondering) So, we have that $ar\in I$. It is left to show also that $ra\in I$, or not? (Wondering)

We do that as follows:

We suppose that $ra\notin I$.

If $r\notin I$, then $r^{-1}$ exists and $a = r^{-1}(ra)\notin I$, a contradiction, since $a\in I$.

If $r\in I$, then since $ra\notin I$, $r + ar \notin I \Rightarrow r(1 + a)\notin I$.
Since $1\notin I$ and $a\in I$ we have that $1 + a\notin I$.
So $(1 + a)^{-1}$ exists and $r = [r(1 + a)](1 + a)^{-1}\notin I$, a contradiction, since $r\in I$.

Therefore, $ra\in I$. So, we conclude that $I$ is an ideal. Is $I$ the unique maximal right ideal of $R$ ? (Wondering)
 
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To answer your first three questions - yes, yes, and yes. I made the correction. But in your argument that followed, the part $r + ar \notin I$ should be replaced by $r + ra\notin I$. Otherwise your proof is correct.

To answer your last question, the answer is yes. Note that you have just proved that $I$ is a two-sided ideal, not just a right ideal.
 
Suppose we pick $R = \{ \mathbb R^\infty \to \mathbb R^\infty \}$ with regular addition and function composition.
Then I think that is a ring. (Thinking)

Let $I$ be the non-invertible elements of $R$ and suppose that $I$ is an ideal.
Let $a: (x_1, x_2, ...) \mapsto (x_2, ...)$ and $b: (x_1, x_2, ...) \mapsto (0, x_1, x_2, ...)$.
Then neither is both left and right invertible, so $a, b \in I$.
But $ab=1$, so we found for $r=b$ that $ar \notin I$, which is a contradiction.
(For the record, $a$ is right invertible but not left invertible. (Nerd))

Therefore $I$ is not an ideal. (Worried)
 
Euge said:
But in your argument that followed, the part $r + ar \notin I$ should be replaced by $r + ra\notin I$. Otherwise your proof is correct.

Ah ok... (Smile)
Euge said:
To answer your last question, the answer is yes. Note that you have just proved that $I$ is a two-sided ideal, not just a right ideal.
Is $I$ the unique maximal right ideal of $R$ because of the following:

Suppose that $J$ is a proper ideal.
It must hold that $1\notin J$, because otherwise $J=R$.
Therefore, $J$ must contain non-ivertible elements.
So, it must be $J\subset I$, since $I$ contains all the non-invertible elements.
Is this correct? (Wondering)

Does this imply that $I$ is the unique maximal right ideal of $R$ ? (Wondering)
 
I like Serena said:
Let $a: (x_1, x_2, ...) \mapsto (x_2, ...)$ and $b: (x_1, x_2, ...) \mapsto (0, x_1, x_2, ...)$.
Then neither is both left and right invertible, so $a, b \in I$.
But $ab=1$, so we found for $r=b$ that $ar \notin I$, which is a contradiction.

Why do we have that $a, b \in I$ and why do we have that $ab=1$ ? (Wondering)
 
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I like Serena said:
Suppose we pick $R = \{ \mathbb R^\infty \to \mathbb R^\infty \}$ with regular addition and function composition.
Then I think that is a ring. (Thinking)

Let $I$ be the non-invertible elements of $R$ and suppose that $I$ is an ideal.
Let $a: (x_1, x_2, ...) \mapsto (x_2, ...)$ and $b: (x_1, x_2, ...) \mapsto (0, x_1, x_2, ...)$.
Then neither is both left and right invertible, so $a, b \in I$.
But $ab=1$, so we found for $r=b$ that $ar \notin I$, which is a contradiction.
(For the record, $a$ is right invertible but not left invertible. (Nerd))

Therefore $I$ is not an ideal. (Worried)

Is this supposed to be a counterexample to the problem? It does not contradict the original statement because $(I,+)$ is not an additive subgroup of $(R,+)$. The identity mapping, which is invertible, is the sum of two noninvertible functions : $c : (x_1,x_2,\ldots)\mapsto (x_1,0,0,0,\ldots)$ and $d : (x_1,x_2,\ldots)\mapsto (0,x_2,x_3,\ldots)$.
 
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mathmari said:
Is $I$ the unique maximal right ideal of $R$ because of the following:

Suppose that $J$ is a proper ideal.
It must hold that $1\notin J$, because otherwise $J=R$.
Therefore, $J$ must contain non-ivertible elements.
So, it must be $J\subset I$, since $I$ contains all the non-invertible elements.
Is this correct? (Wondering)

Does this imply that $I$ is the unique maximal right ideal of $R$ ? (Wondering)

Yes, it looks good. Since no proper ideal of $R$ contains a unit, $I$ contains every proper ideal. In particular, every maximal right ideal is contained in $I$, so $I$ is the unique maximal right ideal.
 
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mathmari said:
Why do we have that $a, b \in I$ and why do we have that $ab=1$ ? (Wondering)

$a$ is not left invertible, because whichever function we apply next, we can never recover $x_1$.
So $a$ is not invertible and thus $a \in I$.

Similarly, whichever function we apply first before applying $b$, the result has a first entry that is always $0$ and can never be $x_1$ anymore. So $b$ is not right invertible and so $b\in I$.

$(a\circ b)(x_1, x_2, ...) = a(0, x_1, x_2, ...) = (x_1, x_2, ...)$
So $ab = 1$.

Euge said:
Is this supposed to be a counterexample to the problem? It does not contradict the original statement because $(I,+)$ is not an additive subgroup of $(R,+)$. The identity mapping, which is invertible, is the sum of two noninvertible functions : $c : (x_1,x_2,\ldots)\mapsto (x_1,0,0,0,\ldots)$ and $d : (x_1,x_2,\ldots)\mapsto (0,x_2,x_3,\ldots)$.

Yes. I came up with it before I read your edited response with a full-proof proof.
Anyway, that explains it - I forgot to check if $I$ is an additive subgroup. (Tmi)
 
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I see... (Smile)

Thank you very much! (Yes)
 

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