How can you easily multiply large numbers like 1538x483?

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The discussion revolves around methods for multiplying large numbers, specifically using the example of 1538x483. Participants explore various techniques, including traditional algorithms and alternative approaches, while expressing differing opinions on their effectiveness and practicality.

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  • One participant shares a video link claiming to present an easy multiplication method but receives skepticism regarding its validity and effectiveness.
  • Another participant argues that the proposed method is merely a complex version of standard multiplication, questioning its usefulness.
  • A different viewpoint criticizes the original method as an obfuscation of traditional algorithms, suggesting alternatives like the divide-and-conquer selection algorithm and Fast Fourier Transforms for more efficient multiplication.
  • Some participants advocate for the FOIL method as a helpful technique for multiplying smaller numbers, sharing their own variations and experiences with it.
  • One participant references the Vedic system of multiplication, highlighting a specific technique for squaring numbers ending in 5 and expressing enthusiasm for its speed and simplicity.

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Participants express a range of opinions, with no consensus on the best method for multiplying large numbers. Some find value in alternative techniques, while others remain critical of the proposed methods.

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Participants mention various multiplication techniques without providing detailed explanations or proofs, leading to potential misunderstandings about their effectiveness and applicability.

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I've got a very helpfull system for making calculations, more exactly: multiplying.

How do you calculate large multiplications like e.g. 1538x483
Takes some time, isn't it?

Well, I found this system for solving the problem and it's great.
Whatch this, amazing:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/308408/Easy Multiplying. Don

Greetz
Domino

Edit: I see it has been removed today... strange.
 
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What I see is just a complexification of normal multiplication. Whats the point?
 
I'm sorry, but this is pretty stupid ... This is merely obfuscation of the normal polynomial time, grade-school multiplication.

If you want some "amazing" systems for mulitplying large numbers, look up the divide-and-conquer selection algorithm, or Fast Fourier Transforms. Or, for a system that is doable by hand use the system Al Khwarizmi discovered, one that is used today in some European countries. It works by synthesizing a binary-styled multiplication. You multiply and divide number a and number b, respectively, by 2, then strike out the even rows and add up column b.

I won't bother showing how it works, because this is utterly pointless. The point being, that the technique outlined in that video is nothing but a rewrite of the grade-school algorithm, and nowhere near "the best way to multiply large numbers".
 
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I like to use the FOIL method for multiplication of 2 or 3 digit numbers, e.g.

79x91=(80-1)(90+1)=7200+80-90-1=7189​

which is not very fast, but I don't care to memorize much of my times table, so it helps me.
 
benorin said:
I like to use the FOIL method for multiplication of 2 or 3 digit numbers, e.g.

79x91=(80-1)(90+1)=7200+80-90-1=7189​

which is not very fast, but I don't care to memorize much of my times table, so it helps me.
I would have done that same product a little differently (I find it hard to store 3 or 4 numbers in my head at a time and retrieve them later):

[tex]79\times 91=(85-6)(85+6)=85^2-6^2=7225-36=7189[/tex]

Different strokes!
 
Hi - I didn't see the original (removed) link, but suggest you check out a famous book called Figuring by Shakuntala Devi. All the above methods are just basic examples of the Vedic system she resuscitated. Older members may remember she's the prodigy whose mental arithmetic beat the calculator on Blue Peter!

My favourite is squaring two-digit numbers ending in 5: eg 75 squared. You just take the first number, 7 in this case, and add 1, getting 8; multiply these together, giving 56; stick 25 on the end to give 5625, the answer. Amaze your friends!:biggrin:

The general methods allow multiplication of long numbers with the answer on the line below!

eg (deliberately simple example)
3 1 2
1 2 1
37752

Working from left to right: (3x1) 3 (3x2 + 1x1) 7 (3x1 + 1x2 + 2x1) 7 (1x1 + 2x2) 5 (2x1) 2

Check it out, it's seriously quick!:eek:

Best wishes

x=7
 

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