How Can You Optimize Material in Manufacturing Open-Top Square Base Boxes?

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The problem involves manufacturing open-top square base boxes with a specified volume using a square piece of sheet metal. The boxes must have a capacity of 9 cubic feet, and the area of the metal sheet is limited to 100 square feet. Participants are exploring how to determine the dimensions of the squares to be cut from the corners of the metal sheet.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formulation of the volume equation based on the dimensions of the box and express confusion about incorporating the requirement for 10,000 boxes into their calculations. There is also uncertainty about the feasibility of creating a box with the given dimensions and volume.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on solving the cubic equation derived from the volume condition, while others question the assumptions made regarding the dimensions and the relationship between the number of boxes and the problem constraints. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, with no clear consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the requirement for 10,000 boxes may not directly influence the calculations needed to determine the dimensions of the boxes. There is also mention of the problem being categorized under "Systems of Nonlinear Equations," which may affect how participants approach the solution.

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Homework Statement



Suppose that you are the manager of a sheet metal shop. A customer asks you to manufacture 10,000 boxes, each box being open on the top. The boxes are required to have a square base and a 9 cubic foot capacity. You construct the boxes by cutting out a square from each corner of a square piece of metal and folding along the edges. What are the dimensions of the square to be cut if the area of the square piece of sheet metal is 100 square feet?


Homework Equations



_|____|_
..|...|
_|____|_
x|...|

Let x = the dimension of the square you cut out. Then the dimension of the inner square is (10 - 2x).
The box has a base of (10 - 2x) by (10 - 2x) and a height of x.

The Attempt at a Solution



(10-2x)2x=9
4x^3-40x^2+100x-9=0

I'm not sure if I'm even interpreting this problem correctly, because I can't even factor it. I think the part that's throwing me off is the "10,000 boxes" that must be made. I'm not sure how to add it into the equation. Any help is appreciated!
 
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Lurid said:

Homework Statement



Suppose that you are the manager of a sheet metal shop. A customer asks you to manufacture 10,000 boxes, each box being open on the top. The boxes are required to have a square base and a 9 cubic foot capacity. You construct the boxes by cutting out a square from each corner of a square piece of metal and folding along the edges. What are the dimensions of the square to be cut if the area of the square piece of sheet metal is 100 square feet?


Homework Equations



_|____|_
..|...|
_|____|_
x|...|

Let x = the dimension of the square you cut out. Then the dimension of the inner square is (10 - 2x).
The box has a base of (10 - 2x) by (10 - 2x) and a height of x.

The Attempt at a Solution



(10-2x)2x=9
4x^3-40x^2+100x-9=0

I'm not sure if I'm even interpreting this problem correctly, because I can't even factor it. I think the part that's throwing me off is the "10,000 boxes" that must be made. I'm not sure how to add it into the equation. Any help is appreciated!

You have left out a critical piece of information. Surely the problem must require that your boxes use the minimum amount of metal. You need to write the equation for what you are trying to minimize.
 
Lurid said:

Homework Statement



Suppose that you are the manager of a sheet metal shop. A customer asks you to manufacture 10,000 boxes, each box being open on the top. The boxes are required to have a square base and a 9 cubic foot capacity. You construct the boxes by cutting out a square from each corner of a square piece of metal and folding along the edges. What are the dimensions of the square to be cut if the area of the square piece of sheet metal is 100 square feet?

Homework Equations



_|____|_
..|...|
_|____|_
x|...|

Let x = the dimension of the square you cut out. Then the dimension of the inner square is (10 - 2x).
The box has a base of (10 - 2x) by (10 - 2x) and a height of x.

The Attempt at a Solution



(10-2x)2x=9
4x^3-40x^2+100x-9=0

I'm not sure if I'm even interpreting this problem correctly, because I can't even factor it. I think the part that's throwing me off is the "10,000 boxes" that must be made. I'm not sure how to add it into the equation. Any help is appreciated!

The 10,000 boxes have nothing to do with the problem---as it was stated. You need to solve a cubic equation; there are formulas for doing that, but using a numerical method is easier. There are three solutions; one of them has 2*x > 10 so is not usable; the other two lead to feasible, but ridiculous boxes (either very tall and skinny or very short and fat).

BTW: your title "systems of linear equations" is highly misleading: you don't have a system of equations, and your equation is not linear.

RGV
 
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Ray Vickson said:
The 10,000 boxes have nothing to do with the problem---as it was stated. You need to solve a cubic equation; there are formulas for doing that, but using a numerical method is easier. There are three solutions; one of them has 2*x > 10 so is not usable; the other two lead to feasible, but ridiculous boxes (either very tall and skinny or very short and fat).

BTW: your title "systems of linear equations" is highly misleading: you don't have a system of equations, and your equation is not linear.

RGV

I'm still kinda confused. I have a cubic equation, but I can't simplify it any further. It also doesn't really make sense to me theoretically speaking, because how can you make a box that is 9 cubic feet with a 100 square feet sheet metal? Is it even possible? I'm still kinda convinced that my method is wrong.

Ah, sorry if it's misleading, but it's a problem under the section "Systems of Nonlinear Equations" in my math textbook. I guess it would be fitting?

Edit:
Oops! It's supposed to be 'nonlinear', not 'linear.
And here's the problem from my textbook, if it makes any difference.
http://i49.tinypic.com/21m6whz.jpg
 
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Read Ray Vickson's response again, particularly:
"You need to solve a cubic equation; there are formulas for doing that, but using a numerical method is easier. There are three solutions; one of them has 2*x > 10 so is not usable; the other two lead to feasible, but ridiculous boxes (either very tall and skinny or very short and fat). "
 
Lurid said:
I'm still kinda confused. I have a cubic equation, but I can't simplify it any further. It also doesn't really make sense to me theoretically speaking, because how can you make a box that is 9 cubic feet with a 100 square feet sheet metal? Is it even possible? I'm still kinda convinced that my method is wrong.

Of course it is possible; solving the cubic equation will tell you how to do it.



Ah, sorry if it's misleading, but it's a problem under the section "Systems of Nonlinear Equations" in my math textbook. I guess it would be fitting?

Edit:
Oops! It's supposed to be 'nonlinear', not 'linear.
And here's the problem from my textbook, if it makes any difference.
http://i49.tinypic.com/21m6whz.jpg

Part (b) leads to a much more interesting problem, but one that requires calculus methods to find the best design. (Just for the record, the solution would be to use square sheets of area 24.53112800 sq. ft.--which is a square with sides of length 4.952890873 ft--and to cut out corners of length 0.8254818122 ft. This would minimize the total area of all sheets used.)

RGV
 

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