How Can You Prevent Pedal Slip in a Tandem All-Wheel Drive Tricycle?

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The discussion revolves around the challenge of preventing pedal slip in a tandem all-wheel drive tricycle, particularly when two riders are pedaling at different speeds. Participants explore various design considerations and potential solutions for maintaining traction and power delivery in this unique cycling configuration.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe the configuration of a tandem cycle where one set of pedals drives the front wheels and another set drives the rear wheels, raising concerns about relative slip due to differing pedaling speeds.
  • One participant suggests a high-tech solution involving generators powered by each cyclist to charge a battery for a motor, allowing for independent pedaling without impeding each other.
  • Another participant references the "DaVinci" bike, which allows for independent pedal cadences, and discusses the mechanical challenges associated with such designs.
  • A participant proposes a design where the front cyclist controls the tricycle while the rear cyclist pedals a single axle that drives two rear wheels, potentially reducing slip and effort.
  • Questions arise regarding the alignment and fixed position of the pedal assemblies during turns, indicating a need for clarity on the design's mechanics.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the nature of the slip being discussed, questioning the role of friction with the ground in preventing slip.
  • Another participant speculates that the design may be intended for off-road conditions, suggesting that the context of use could influence the design requirements.

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Participants express a range of ideas and solutions, but there is no consensus on a definitive approach to preventing pedal slip. Multiple competing views and suggestions remain in the discussion.

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Some limitations include the dependence on specific design choices, the need for further clarification on mechanical configurations, and unresolved questions about the implications of different riding conditions.

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That is in a tandem cycle where one set of pedals go to the front and the other to the back. So it's an all wheel drive, but when two people ride it, how do you prevent relative slip due to difference in pedalling?
Any help would be very much appreciated.
 
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Or even in a cycle with three wheels with each front and rear wheels being driven be different people?
 
I'm designing a two person tri-cycle where one person drives the two wheels in the front and the person in the back drives the single rear wheel by pedalling. The problem I have now is that I can't figure how I will prevent the relative slip that may occur due to the difference in pedalling speeds of both the cyclists.

This design is for a competition and it's really essential that I solve this problem. Any help would be much appreciated.
 
Well a high-tech solution would be to have each cyclist power a generator and the two generators charge a battery that is used to power the motor.

Don't most bikes use a hub that allows you to coast so you could use one on each axle. If your trike is going faster than you're pedaling then it feels effortless but won't impede the other cyclist doing the work.
 
TheNerdyGuy said:
That is in a tandem cycle where one set of pedals go to the front and the other to the back

That's not how most tandem bicycles work. The wikipedia article has a section on drive trains that may help you out...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandem_bicycle

:smile:
 
I would look closely at a "DaVinci" bike. They are a Tandem bicycle that allows each of the two riders to contribute while allowing independent pedal Cadences. They have proven to be a little challenging mechanically for the average bicyclist. There is a defined advantage in having asynchronous drive as the harmonics of synchronous pedals are severe in normal tandems.

Aside from some type of floating hub. The easy approach is to rely on rider control to each be applying pressure. What kind of budget do you have? If you could incorporate modern power metering bottom brackets There could be a visual reference for each rider to see if they are keeping up. (or much worse tell your partner how much you are not contributing. oops)
 
TheNerdyGuy said:
That is in a tandem cycle where one set of pedals go to the front and the other to the back. So it's an all wheel drive, but when two people ride it, how do you prevent relative slip due to difference in pedalling?
Any help would be very much appreciated.
use the front guy only to handle the tri-cycle and the give the rear ones a single axled peddal and this axle bears the 2 rear wheels and this gives no slip.and this helps in reducing the effort of each on the ride.
 
Can you post a picture of your bike. I am interested in how the front pedal assembly delivers it power to the front wheels/axle while allowing the front wheels to be turned to steer the bike. The primary issue is whether or not both the front and rear pedal assemblies remain fixed in positon and aligned when the bike is turned. Depending on that, I may have a suggestion.
 
i'm confused.

slip between what and what else?

Seems to me friction with the ground will prevent slip
unless one of the cyclists has legs so strong he can spin the tyres
and i don't see why that would matter.
 
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It may be intended as a all wheel drive bike for off-road and trail riding on dirt, sand, rock, mud and other slippery conditions. As a hiker, I have sometimes wished I had two more legs for those conditions as well.
 

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