How CD/DVD Encryption works - need details

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The discussion revolves around the mechanisms of CD/DVD encryption and information encoding, particularly focusing on the physical principles involved in how CD/DVD drives read data. Participants seek detailed explanations and theoretical connections relevant to their project on surfaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires whether the focus is on encryption for security or the encoding of information on CDs/DVDs.
  • Another participant suggests starting with the physical details of how CDs and DVDs work, noting differences in pit size and laser power between the two formats.
  • A participant mentions that CSS decryption is well documented and refers to a website with multiple methods for decrypting CSS.
  • One participant expresses the need for precise information and asks for theories or properties that could be linked to their project.
  • Another participant suggests that the algorithms for encryption are readily available online.
  • A participant questions the phenomenon of intensity differences between pits and lands on a CD, proposing a hypothesis related to the thickness of the plastic layer affecting light absorption.
  • A later reply challenges this hypothesis, suggesting that the depth of pits may not significantly absorb light and introduces the possibility of interference effects or reflection angles affecting intensity readings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and hypotheses regarding the physical principles of CD/DVD reading and encryption. No consensus is reached on the specifics of the intensity differences or the best theoretical connections for the project.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for detailed theoretical frameworks and personal reflections, indicating that the discussion may depend on specific definitions and assumptions about light behavior and material properties.

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hello
We are currently doing a TIPE Project on our first year of Prepa ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classe_Préparatoire_aux_Grandes_Écoles )
We are thinking of doing our project on DVD/CD's (The theme is Surfaces), we would need to explain with precision how the encryption is made and how the CD Drive reads it.
But this project requires very precise details, and our mathematical/Physical reflexion.

We have tried looking for information on Howstuffworks.com, but it doesn't go very much into the details.
Do you know any websites that would satisfy our needs ?
thank you
 
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Are you asking about actual encryption (for copy protection / security), or how information is encoded on a CD / DVD?

Encryption / Cryptography:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encryption

Encoding:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encoding

If you're working with surfaces, you probably mean the latter. In which case, you might want to start with how a CD works:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc#Physical_details

A DVD works in nearly the same fashion, except the pits are smaller, and you need a higher-powered laser to read these smaller pits. Note that recordable / rewritable media work on a completely different principle, but can be read in a similar fashion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cd-r
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-RW

These are good places to *start*--if this is for a university-level project, you can probably find some of the original papers in some IEEE journal (talk to librarians at your technical library).
 
The actual CSS decryption is well documented. It would probably violate forum rules to link to any pages or anything like that with information, but the information is quite readily available.

I recall a website that had the procedure for decrypting the CSS like 80 different ways (there was a quite long poem which is actually pretty cool).
 
Thank you for the links and information

Actually right now, in the end of our first year, we must search information and see what project we present next year on that theme
The thing is, we have to make our projects very precise, they don't want the usual "talking" that everyone understands, and they expect to see how personal reflexion on the subject (using Maths/Physics/Engineering theories, going really into the details, asking companies for documents, etc).

Do you know to what theories, or properties we could link this to ?
 
Google it brotha. The actual algorithms are readily available.
 
I saw on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc : "The change in height between pits and lands results in a difference in intensity in the light reflected."
: i do not really understand why, and i cannot find any details concerning this phenomena.
The source also stated that the front side of the disc is composed of a plastic layer with the "holes" and "bumps", and of a reflecting sheet behind.
Why is there a big difference in intensity between a beam emitted on a bump and a beam emitted on a hole ?

I thought that the answer would be (but i am not sure) :
the plastic layer's thickness changes with the presence of a bump or hole, and when there is a bigger thickness, the beam travels a bigger distance in the material, so more of the laser beam's intensity is absorbed (due of the absorbance of the material) ?
is this correct ?
 
It might be, but the depth of the pits--125 nm of additional (optically transparent polycarbonate) would absorb a negligible amount of the light. It might be interference effects (a round trip into/out of the pit is 250 nm, or about half the wavelength of the 500-ish nm red laser. However, it might just be what angle the light reflects off the pits vs. the rest of the surface:
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/cd5.htm

Since a pit would cause the reflected light to shift slightly off the detector element, you'd see lower intensity. When you have CD-Rs or CD-RWs, which actually have regions that have higher or lower absorbance, you'd have actually lowered intensity, and not just changing where the light lands.
 

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