How could I translate logic reasoning to the language of mathematics?

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The discussion revolves around the translation of logical reasoning, particularly inductive and deductive reasoning, into the language of mathematics. Participants explore the relationship between logic and mathematics, questioning whether all forms of reasoning can be expressed mathematically and the limitations of such translations.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to translate inductive reasoning into mathematics, using the example of life forms depending on liquid water.
  • Another participant suggests that symbolic logic, a branch of philosophy, may help in understanding the translation of logical reasoning to mathematics, noting its application in Boolean logic and digital circuits.
  • It is asserted that mathematics primarily utilizes deductive reasoning, and inductive reasoning does not hold validity within mathematical frameworks.
  • Some participants argue that not all sentences can be translated into mathematics, emphasizing that mathematics deals with well-formed formulas.
  • There is a debate about whether all deductive reasoning can be translated into mathematics, with some asserting that only the form of reasoning can be translated, not the meaning of the statements involved.
  • One participant highlights that philosophical logic, which may include inductive reasoning, is broader than mathematical logic, which is confined to deductive reasoning.
  • A conjecture is presented regarding the translation of the statement about life forms and water into a mathematical form, indicating an ongoing exploration of this idea.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the translatability of inductive reasoning into mathematics, with some asserting it is not possible while others explore the nuances of deductive reasoning's translation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of logic in relation to mathematics.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the translation of statements, particularly concerning the distinction between deductive and inductive reasoning, and the specific requirements of well-formed formulas in mathematics.

Tosh5457
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I don't know much about this subject, so this is probably a very basic question.

If I want to understand/explain something, I use inductive or deductive reasoning, which are parts of logic. For example, take this inductive reasoning:

Every life form we know of depends on liquid water to exist.
All life depends on liquid water to exist.

How could I translate it to mathematics? And is everything translatable to the language of mathematics?
 
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There is a field of philosophy called symbolic logic, [Edit": although maybe a better term is formal logic] that might fit your needs pretty well. Here's a wiki article about one form:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-order_logic" .)

This type of philosophy is the basis of Boolean logic, used in digital [computer] circuits. It can be used to build binary adders; combinational and sequential logic circuits/gates; together those can be used in part to build arithmetic logic units (ALUs). These, together with more logic circuits are what makes computers, cell phones, WiFi routers, Bluetooth devices, Bluray players, etc. You name it.

Although symbolic logic is technically philosophy, mathematical reasoning is itself a philosophy, when you think about it. Both are good at deductive reasoning. Not so with inductive.

Be careful with inductive reasoning. Perhaps every swan you've ever seen is white. You might conclude that all swans are white. That's fine and dandy until you visit the land down under and stumble upon a Black Swan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Swan" ).
 
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Mathematics only works with deductive reasoning. Inductive reasoning is not allowed. So your reasoning is not valid in mathematics.

And not all sentences can be translated in mathematics. Mathematics only considers very special sentences: the well-formed formula's.
 
micromass said:
And not all sentences can be translated in mathematics. Mathematics only considers very special sentences: the well-formed formula's.

What do you mean? Can't every deductive reasoning be translated to mathematics?

So, from wikipedia:
Logic is often divided into two parts, inductive reasoning and deductive reasoning.

Since mathematics only works with deductive reasoning, is logic more general than mathematics?
 
Tosh5457 said:
What do you mean? Can't every deductive reasoning be translated to mathematics?

Yes, but not in the way you want it. The deductive statement

Cats are always black, so my cat is black

can be translated as [itex]P\Rightarrow Q[/itex]. But P and Q have no special meaning here. And a statement about cats can not be translated into mathematics. So only the form of the reasoning can be translated into mathematics, not the meaning of the statements.

Since mathematics only works with deductive reasoning, is logic more general than mathematics?

Mathematics deals with mathematical logic, and this only allows deductive reasoning. The logic you're talking about is "philosophical logic" and could allow inductive statements, but this is not mathematics. It's true that philosophical logic is more general than mathematical logic.

Statements such as

"We can find no nontrivial integer solutions to [itex]x^n+y^n=z^n[/itex]"​

does not imply that there are no such solutions. It must be proven by deductive reasoning that there aren't any solutions. And this is the only reasoning accepted.
 
Tosh5457 said:
Every life form we know of depends on liquid water to exist.
All life depends on liquid water to exist.

How could I translate it to mathematics?
Conjecture: All life depends on liquid water to exist.
 

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