How did the variable change in the Dirac-Delta function property equation?

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The discussion revolves around the Dirac-Delta function and its properties, specifically focusing on the derivation of an equation involving the Dirac-Delta function and the appearance of the term |y'(xj)| in the denominator. Participants are examining the implications of a change of variables in an integral and how it relates to the evaluation of the Dirac-Delta function in the context of a specific equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the origin of the |y'(xj)| term in the denominator, suggesting it arises from evaluating the integral.
  • Others argue that the integral is centered around a small range about y_j = y(x_j), contrasting it with equation (343), which is centered about the origin.
  • A participant mentions that the term comes from the Jacobian due to a change of variables performed during the integral evaluation.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of the Dirac-Delta function, with some asserting it is zero everywhere except at specific points, while others challenge this interpretation, stating that δ(0) is an undefined divergent quantity.
  • Participants express confusion about the change of variables and how it affects the integral, with references to transforming from an integral over dx to dy, including a Jacobian factor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the interpretation of the Dirac-Delta function or the derivation of the equation in question. Multiple competing views remain regarding the mathematical treatment and implications of the integral.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the assumptions underlying the change of variables and the interpretation of the Dirac-Delta function, particularly concerning its behavior at specific points and the nature of δ(0).

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I'm not sure how they got the RHS of equation 349:

where did the |y'(xj)| in the denominator come from?

According to (343) the RHS is only f(x0) which in this case is the jth term of the sum that gives y(xj) = 0..

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where did the |y'(xj)| in the denominator come from?
... um... from evaluating the integral?

According to (343) the RHS is only f(x0) which in this case is the jth term of the sum that gives y(x
j
) = 0...
I don't think that is what (343) says.

The integral you are evaluating is centered in a small range about ##y_j=y(x_j)##.
(343) is for the entire y axis, and is centered about the origin.
 
Simon Bridge said:
... um... from evaluating the integral?

I don't think that is what (343) says.

The integral you are evaluating is centered in a small range about ##y_j=y(x_j)##.
(343) is for the entire y axis, and is centered about the origin.

I'm sorry I still don't quite understand how the |y'(xj)| in the denominator came about. How do you evaluate the integral?
 
It comes from the Jacobian due to a change of variables done in order to perform the integral
 
dauto said:
It comes from the Jacobian due to a change of variables done in order to perform the integral

I still don't quite understand why is there a denominator:

δ(y(x)) is zero everywhere except at the particular xj where δ(y(x)) = δ(y(xj)) = δ(0) = 1

Then the integral can be simplified to give:

∫ f(x) dx from xj-ε to xj+ε where ε is small enough such that it does not coincide with other solutions of y(xi) = 0 for some xi.

Then that should give f(xj)∫ dx from xj-ε to xj

= f(xj) * 1 (∫ dx from xj-ε to xj+ε = 1)
= f(xj)where did the |f'(xj)| in the denominator come from?
 
unscientific said:
δ(y(x)) is zero everywhere except at the particular xj where δ(y(x)) = δ(y(xj)) = δ(0) = 1

Isn't it zero everywhere except where ##y=y_j:y_j=y(x_j)##
(What is y(x)?)

That means the ##\delta(y)## in the integrand turns into ##\delta(y-y_j)## to stay consistent.
Maths is a language - what is the math here supposed to be describing?

Now you can apply the rule.

Also take note: for a pure math interpretation...
dauto said:
It comes from the Jacobian due to a change of variables done in order to perform the integral
... how did they change variables?
 
unscientific said:
I still don't quite understand why is there a denominator:

δ(y(x)) is zero everywhere except at the particular xj where δ(y(x)) = δ(y(xj)) = δ(0) = 1

That's all wrong. δ(0) isn't equal to unit. The integral is equal to unit. δ(0) itself is an undefined divergent quantity - infinite.
 
Simon Bridge said:
... how did they change variables?

They changed from an integral over dx to an integral over dy. There is a Jacobean factor.
 

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