How Do Different Orders of Taylor Expansion Affect Free-Fall Landing Times?

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of free-fall landing times of objects from high altitudes using Taylor expansions of the Newtonian force. Participants explore the implications of different orders of expansion in both stationary and non-stationary cases, with a focus on classical mechanics and perturbation theory.

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  • One participant outlines a plan to analyze free-fall landing times for stationary objects using a power series expansion of the Newtonian force up to the third order.
  • Another participant expresses admiration for the complexity of the paper, noting the advanced topics being tackled at a high school level.
  • A suggestion is made to include a physically meaningful expansion parameter in the perturbation theory calculations for the second and third order expressions of the force.
  • A later reply questions the choice of expansion parameters, suggesting that any parameter can be used as long as it is appropriately substituted back into the equations at the end.

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Participants generally agree on the merit of the proposed paper and the approach of using Taylor expansions, but there is no consensus on the specifics of the expansion parameters or the methodology for perturbation theory.

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Participants mention the importance of a physically meaningful expansion parameter, indicating potential limitations in the choice of parameters for the Taylor expansion. There is also an acknowledgment of the complexity of the topics being discussed, which may affect the clarity of the analysis.

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This discussion may be useful for high school students interested in advanced physics topics, particularly those exploring classical mechanics and mathematical methods in physics.

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Hello fellow PF-goers
As part of my high school curriculum I am required to write an extended essay on an academic field of my choice.
I plan on doing a physics paper about the free-fall landing times of objects from high altitudes in a classical Newtonian potential.
My plan is to separate my paper into these parts

1.Analyse free-fall landing times of initially stationary objects, expand the Newtonian force in a power series and analyse the issue in zeroth, first, second and third order. (F=-g+ar+br^2+cr^3+..). I will be using mathematica to solve for the second and third order results.

2.Analyse free-fall landing times for objects with a non-zero initial angular velocity. I will switch to the lagrangian formulation for this and repeat the same power expansion method as before.

3.Tally the data, and compare to "exact" results given by mathematica. Compare the inaccuracies as a I increase the order of the taylor expansion.

Advice?
 
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You are learning Lagrangian mechanics and power series expansions in high school? Geez, I feel like a failure.

Your paper sounds excellent.
 
The only thing I would make sure to add is a physically meaningful expansion parameter in your perturbation theory calculation of the 2nd and 3rd order expressions for the force.

Regardless, your paper idea is very nice so have fun! :)
 
WannabeNewton said:
The only thing I would make sure to add is a physically meaningful expansion parameter in your perturbation theory calculation of the 2nd and 3rd order expressions for the force.

Regardless, your paper idea is very nice so have fun! :)

I'm thinking about expanding around G and working to third order.
I can expand around any parameter I want right? As long as I plug it back in at the end.
 
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