How do I calculate flywheel torque for a single cylinder diesel engine?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the torque on a flywheel for a single cylinder diesel engine, particularly in the context of a project aimed at improving flywheel performance. Participants explore the relationship between engine power, RPM, and torque, and consider the implications for finite element analysis (FEA) of the flywheel.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in calculating the torque on the flywheel using the engine's power and RPM, noting a lack of additional information.
  • Another participant suggests using the horsepower formula, which relates RPM, torque, and horsepower, indicating that knowing any two allows for the calculation of the third.
  • A participant questions whether it is appropriate to use the engine's power directly for torque calculations, especially in the context of performing an FEA analysis.
  • Concerns are raised about the limitations of FEA analysis in determining the torque produced by the motor.
  • Several participants discuss the loading conditions on the flywheel, including centrifugal loading at steady speed and additional loads during speed changes, which can affect stress analysis.
  • There are mentions of shear stresses arising from angular acceleration and the need for numerical procedures for non-constant acceleration scenarios.
  • One participant expresses curiosity about the impact of speed variations on stress calculations and whether an average speed could suffice for analysis.
  • Another participant responds that for the current purpose, using average running speed for stress calculations may be adequate.
  • Participants note that some flywheels may include additional components like shaft couplings and drive gears, which could necessitate further analysis.
  • One participant clarifies their intention to analyze the current flywheel and then modify its dimensions for improved inertia.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of using average speed for stress calculations and the implications of additional components in flywheel design. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to torque calculation and the adequacy of assumptions made for FEA analysis.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential dependencies on specific definitions of torque and power, as well as the assumptions made regarding average speed and loading conditions. The discussion highlights the complexity of analyzing flywheel performance under varying operational conditions.

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Hey,
I am doing a small project on improving the performance of a flywheel in a single cylinder diesel engine. I am stuck at a point where I have to calculate torque on the flywheel. Information that I have is power of the engine is 5bhp, and rpm of the engine is 2600, I do not have any other information. Can anybody please help
 
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Try looking up the formula to calculate horsepower. There are 3 three terms in it (and a constant); RPM, Torque, Horsepower. Given any two, the third can be found.
 
Tom.G said:
Try looking up the formula to calculate horsepower. There are 3 three terms in it (and a constant); RPM, Torque, Horsepower. Given any two, the third can be found.
My doubt, is it OK to use the power of the engine directly to calculate the torque on flywheel. Actually I am supposed to do an FEA analysis of that flywheel.
 
//Preeti// said:
My doubt, is it OK to use the power of the engine directly to calculate the torque on flywheel. Actually I am supposed to do an FEA analysis of that flywheel.
Well, an FEA analysis of the flywheel will not give you the torque produced by the motor.
 
SteamKing said:
Well, an FEA analysis of the flywheel will not give you the torque produced by the motor.
Since I want to do FEA analysis I need to put in the load conditions. Tats y I need the torque
 
(1) When the flywheel is running at steady speed it will only have centrifugal loading . This loading is only dependent on the speed of rotation .
Flywheel will experience hoop and radial stresses which can be analysed by standard means .

(2) Flywheel experiences additional loads when speed is changing as a result of :

(a) cyclic variation within one rotation of engine or load .
(b) more general load variation .
(c) scheduled changes under user control .

(3) During periods of speed change the flywheel experiences angular acceleration . Consider the flywheel as a notional nest of concentric rings with each ring driving the next outer (or inner dependent on +/- acceleration ) . This gives rise to shear stresses between the notional rings . Not too difficult to evaluate stresses analytically for constant value accelerations but needs a numerical procedure for non constant acceleration and in particular for in cycle accelerations which are commonly rapidly varying .

The basic hoop and radial stresses will additionally change as speed changes

(4) When speeding up or slowing down the flywheel is effectively either storing energy or giving it back to the crankshaft .

(5) The torque between crankshaft and flywheel always acts in such a way as to oppose speed variations . Thus the flywheel acts effectively to make a smoother running engine .

(6) Single cylinder slow running engines need the flywheel also to maintain running speed during the dead parts of the engine cycle .
 
Nidum said:
(1) When the flywheel is running at steady speed it will only have centrifugal loading . This loading is only dependent on the speed of rotation .
Flywheel will experience hoop and radial stresses which can be analysed by standard means .

(2) Flywheel experiences additional loads when speed is changing as a result of :

(a) cyclic variation within one rotation of engine or load .
(b) more general load variation .
(c) scheduled changes under user control .

(3) During periods of speed change the flywheel experiences angular acceleration . Consider the flywheel as a notional nest of concentric rings with each ring driving the next outer (or inner dependent on +/- acceleration ) . This gives rise to shear stresses between the notional rings . Not too difficult to evaluate stresses analytically for constant value accelerations but needs a numerical procedure for non constant acceleration and in particular for in cycle accelerations which are commonly rapidly varying .

The basic hoop and radial stresses will additionally change as speed changes

(4) When speeding up or slowing down the flywheel is effectively either storing energy or giving it back to the crankshaft .

(5) The torque between crankshaft and flywheel always acts in such a way as to oppose speed variations . Thus the flywheel acts effectively to make a smoother running engine .

(6) Single cylinder slow running engines need the flywheel also to maintain running speed during the dead parts of the engine cycle .
Thanks for the elaborate explanation nidum... Clearly in my case the flywheel will not be rotating in steady speed, depending on the stroke the speed may vary and hence there will be angular speed variations. But I am curious to know how much of this stress due to speed variations can affect the flywheel. I mean can I not just assume an average speed for stress calculations.
 
//Preeti// said:
But I am curious to know how much of this stress due to speed variations can affect the flywheel. I mean can I not just assume an average speed for stress calculations.

Depends on the application . For your present purpose stresses calculated from average running speed will be probably be perfectly adequate .
 
Just note that some flywheels have things like shaft couplings , clutch faces and drive gears built in . If you have any of these then further analysis is needed .
 
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Nidum said:
Just note that some flywheels have things like shaft couplings , clutch faces and drive gears built in . If you have any of these then further analysis is needed .
But then I am not changing anything in those. My motto is to analyze the present flywheel then change its dimensions and again analyze it for improved inertia.
 

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