How do I calculate Lie derivation of a metric?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the Lie derivative of a metric in the context of differential geometry. The original poster is exploring the definition and application of the Lie derivative with respect to a given vector field and metric, particularly in polar coordinates.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the definition of the Lie derivative to a specific vector field and metric, questioning their understanding of the necessary steps, including the use of Christoffel symbols and covariant derivatives.
  • Some participants provide clarifications on the definition of the Lie derivative and the nature of the resulting tensor, while others express confusion regarding the indices and the dimensionality of the output.
  • There is a mention of a comparison with an external article, leading to questions about discrepancies in results.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their calculations and seeks further guidance. A breakthrough is noted when the original poster finds a resource that aids in their understanding, indicating a positive direction in the discussion.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of working with a nondiagonal metric and the implications of the Lie derivative in this context. There are references to specific examples and external resources that may influence the understanding of the topic.

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I've searched everywhere, and I cannot find an example of calculation of Lie derivation of a metric.

If I have some vector field \alpha, and a metric g, a lie derivative is (by definition, if I understood it):

\mathcal{L}_\alpha g=\nabla_\mu \alpha_\nu+\nabla_\nu \alpha_\mu

So if my vector field is given in this form (polar coordinates for instance):

\alpha=r\sin^2\theta \partial_t+r\partial_\varphi

(this is something I made up btw), so if I got this right (and I'm not sure, that's why I'm asking) I should find the Christoffel symbols from my metric, and use the definition of covariant derivative, and just calculate term by term (for \mu,\ \nu=t,\ r,\ \theta,\ \varphi)?

In that case, is \alpha_t=r\sin^2\theta ? And so on? Or did I missed the point entirely, because I'm at loss :\
 
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I think you more or less got it, although I agree it's pretty confusing to think about Lie derivatives of the metric. The definition of Lie derivative is I guess usually something like
\mathcal{L}_\alpha(g_{\mu \nu}) = V^\lambda \nabla_\lambda g_{\mu \nu} + g_{\nu \lambda} \nabla_\mu \alpha^\lambda + g_{\mu \lambda} \nabla_\nu \alpha^\lambda and using the fact that covariant derivative of the metric vanishes, you get the form \mathcal{L}_\alpha(g_{\mu \nu}) = \nabla_\mu \alpha_\nu + \nabla_\nu \alpha_\mu
 
The reason that is confusing me is that I have a vector field given in the form I've mentioned, and I have a nondiagonal metric, and I'm trying to get the same result that I found in one article, and I can't.

Here: http://arxiv.org/abs/0908.0184 he makes a Lie derivative along a diffeomorphism \xi of the metric, and he gets a 4x4 matrix. I tried my 'reasoning' and I got a scalar, so I must be doing something wrong :\
 
I think the indices are the confusing part here -- you forgot them on the left side on your expression, but it's clear when you write it out, that the Lie derivative of a rank n tensor is also a rank n tensor. Not sure what you mean by your reasoning giving you a scalar. \nabla_\mu \alpha_\nu + \nabla_\nu \alpha_\mu is very manifestly a tensor.
 
Hmmm then I definitely did something wrong :\

I found an example of Lie derivative of a metric of 3 sphere, along some vector... I'll try to follow that, and see that I'll get...
 
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Ok, I am in a bit of a problem here. I found one example of Lie derivative of a vector, along another vector on a sphere. And there was given the formula for each of the component. Here I would have (if I'm correct):

\mathcal{L}_\xi g_{\mu \nu}=\nabla_\mu \xi_\nu+\nabla_nu\xi_\mu=\frac{\partial \xi_\nu}{\partial x^\mu}-\Gamma^\rho_{\mu\nu}\xi^\rho+\frac{\partial \xi_\mu}{\partial x^\nu}-\Gamma^\sigma_{\nu\mu}\xi^\sigma

right?

So I say, that that new tensor I get by doing a Lie derivative, let's call it a, with components a_{\mu\nu} is given by above formula, by putting all the possible combinations for \mu\nu (\tau,\ r,\ \theta,\ \varphi)?

EDIT:

I tried with one component, and I didn't get the answer like in article :\ so I must be doing something wrong... again :(
 
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Found it! Finally! I did some digging and found a great book called Geometrical methods of
mathematical physics by Bernard Shutz, and in it a proper way to calculate the Lie derivative of a metric, and I am getting good results ^^

I'm so happy right now! Thanks for all the help :)
 

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