How do I find the energies of these states?

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The problem involves finding the energies of specific quantum states in a two-particle system, particularly focusing on the singlet state and the Hamiltonian governing the system. The context is rooted in quantum mechanics, specifically dealing with spin states and energy eigenvalues.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the use of the Hamiltonian to find energy values, questioning whether the approach of calculating <0,0|H|0,0> is appropriate without an explicit state expression. There is also mention of the implications of the commutation relation [S, H] = 0 for spin eigenstates being simultaneous energy eigenstates.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering various approaches to solving the Schrödinger equation for the two-electron system and considering the implications of spin and symmetry in wave functions. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need to analyze energy eigenvalues and wave functions, but no consensus has been reached on a specific method.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of boundary conditions for the two-electron system and the potential degeneracy of energy levels. There is an acknowledgment that the inclusion of spins does not lead to energy splitting in this context, as the Hamiltonian does not include spin operators.

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Homework Statement


Here is the problem: http://imgur.com/XEqE4SY

Homework Equations


|psi_s_ms> = |s, ms> ⊗ Σ D_i_j |psi_i, psi_j>[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


I know the singlet state in the |s, ms> basis is |0,0> = (1/sqrt(2))[ |up, down> - |down, up>] and that the hamiltonian for this system is H = (-hbar/2m)(∇1^2 + ∇2^2).

How would you go about getting a value of energy. I feel like this is an easy question, I just don't know how to start. Is <0,0|H|0,0> the right approach? How would I even calculate that without an explicit expression for the state?

My other approach is recognizing that [S, H] = 0 so spin eigenstates are simultaneous energy eigenstates. I don't know if this helps me?

Can someone point me in the right direction?

Thank you[/B]
 
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baouba said:
Can someone point me in the right direction?

first you have to find out the solution for Schrödinger equation invoking the boundary conditions for the two electron system and getting the energy eigen values and wave functions - naturally
one gets energy levels which are degenerate and the splitting of levels will take place as states like s,p,d,f for various l values come up .then choose the lowest three states as asked by lookig at possible combinations of l and s values.
if the states splits then the energy change has to be calculated.
 
baouba said:
How would you go about getting a value of energy.
Are you familiar with solving the eigenvalue problem for a single particle in an infinite potential well? Finding the eigenvalues (energy levels) for this problem is very similar to the one particle version as drvrm pointed out above, you just need to pair the wavefunctions from the two particles under the rule governed by Pauli principle.
baouba said:
My other approach is recognizing that [S, H] = 0 so spin eigenstates are simultaneous energy eigenstates. I don't know if this helps me?
Yes, that's true. But for now, find first the general form of the eigenfunctions neglecting the spin and Pauli principle.
drvrm said:
one gets energy levels which are degenerate and the splitting of levels will take place as states like s,p,d,f for various l values come up .then choose the lowest three states as asked by lookig at possible combinations of l and s values.
Angular momentum operator is not a useful quantity in a 1D problem as it is equal to the zero operator.
drvrm said:
if the states splits then the energy change has to be calculated.
The inclusion of spins does not cause splitting as the Hamiltonian doesn't contain any of the spin operators.
 
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