How do I find the most efficient way to find P?

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The discussion revolves around finding the point P that divides the segment between points B and C in a specific ratio, specifically where the ratio of distances from B to P and P to C is 1:6. Participants explore various methods to determine the coordinates of P, including algebraic approaches and geometric interpretations.

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  • One participant states that the coordinates of P can be expressed as P=(6/7)B+(1/7)C, but expresses confusion about how this result is derived.
  • Another participant suggests drawing a sketch to visualize the problem, indicating that a graphical approach may aid understanding.
  • A mathematical formulation is presented, where a quadratic equation is derived to represent the relationship between the coordinates of P, although its implications are not fully explored.
  • One participant describes the movement from B to C and calculates the coordinates of P as (10, 16) based on the specified ratio, providing a step-by-step breakdown of the reasoning.
  • Another participant questions the framing of the original question, suggesting that it may lack necessary constraints or clarity regarding the desired location of P.
  • Several participants indicate they have found solutions to the problem, but the specifics of these solutions are not detailed in the responses.
  • Links to external resources are provided for further exploration of related concepts, such as the Circles of Apollonius.

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There is no clear consensus on the most efficient method to find P, as participants present differing approaches and interpretations of the problem. Some methods are more algebraic, while others are geometric, and there is uncertainty about the constraints of the problem.

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Participants express varying assumptions about the problem's constraints and the nature of point P, leading to different interpretations and methods of solution. The discussion includes references to external mathematical concepts without resolving their applicability to the specific problem at hand.

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Let B=(5,21), C=(40,-14) and $\frac{BP}{PC}$=1/6. What is the most efficent way to find P? My book just states P=(6/7)B+(1/7)C but no idea how they got that.
 
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Poirot said:
Let B=(5,21), C=(40,-14) and $\frac{BP}{PC}$=1/6. What is the most efficent way to find P? My book just states P=(6/7)B+(1/7)C but no idea how they got that.

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Poirot said:
Let B=(5,21), C=(40,-14) and $\frac{BP}{PC}$=1/6. What is the most efficent way to find P? My book just states P=(6/7)B+(1/7)C but no idea how they got that.

If x and y are the coordinates of P, then it must be...

$\displaystyle f(x,y)= 36\ (x-5)^{2} + 36\ (y-21)^{2} - (x-40)^{2} - (y+14)^{2}=0$ (1)

The (1) is a 'quadratic curve' as illustrated in...

Quadratic Curve -- from Wolfram MathWorld

Kind regards

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Hello, Poirot!

Did you make a sketch?

Let $B=(5,21),\;C=(40,\text{-}14),\;\dfrac{BP}{PC}=\dfrac{1}{6}$

What is the most efficent way to find $P$ ?
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      |
      | (5,21)   +35
      |  B♥ → → → → → → +
      |     *           ↓
      |      Po         ↓
      |         *       ↓ -35
  ----+-----------*-----↓------
      |             *   ↓
      |               * ↓
      |                 ♥C
      |              (40,-14)
      |
Going from $B$ to $C$, we move 35 right and 35 down.

Point $P$ is $\tfrac{1}{7}$ of the way from $B$ to $C$.

The x-coordinate is $\tfrac{1}{7}$ of the way from $5$ to $40$.
. . Hence: .$x \;=\;5 + \tfrac{1}{7}(40-5) \;=\;5 + \tfrac{1}{7}(35) \;=\;5 + 5 \;=\;10$

The y-coordinate is $\tfrac{1}{7}$ of the way from $21$ to $\text{-}14.$
. . Hence: .$y \;=\;21 + \tfrac{1}{7}(\text{-}14 - 21) \;=\;21 + \tfrac{1}{7}(\text{-}35) \;=\;21 - 5 \;=\;16$Therefore, $P$ is at $(10,16).$
 
Poirot said:
Let B=(5,21), C=(40,-14) and $\frac{BP}{PC}$=1/6. What is the most efficent way to find P? My book just states P=(6/7)B+(1/7)C but no idea how they got that.

If your book gives that answer then you have not posted the question as asked, or omitted implied side conditions for the question set.

The quoted answer implies that you want a point P between B and C, while the statement does not so constrain P and defines a locus in the plane.

In future please post the question as asked and include any additional constraints implied by the topic you are studying and or the common conditions in force on a question set.

CB
 
I've solved this now thanks to the answers.
 

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