How do I model an Indeterminately Loaded Beam using theory?

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The discussion revolves around modeling an indeterminately loaded beam, specifically a fixed end beam subjected to two loads. Participants explore theoretical approaches to calculate deflection and stress, drawing from experimental observations and lab setups.

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  • One participant describes a lab setup involving a beam clamped at both ends with loads applied at 25% and 75% of its length, seeking theoretical modeling methods.
  • Another participant questions the clamping configuration and suggests using a specific equation for cantilever beams to model deflection, proposing superposition for multiple loads.
  • A participant clarifies that the beam is clamped on both ends and provides a visual representation of the setup, indicating the position of the strain gauge.
  • One participant discusses using simultaneous equations to account for unknown reactions in the beam, suggesting a method to solve for internal stresses while expressing uncertainty about applying fixed end theorem results.
  • A later reply mentions the configuration as a "Fixed end beam" and considers applying superposition from simply supported and cantilever models, indicating ongoing exploration of the theoretical framework.

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Participants express varying approaches to modeling the beam, with some advocating for superposition and others discussing simultaneous equations. There is no consensus on the best method or how to fully account for the fixed end conditions.

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Participants note the complexity of the beam's fixed end conditions and the need for careful consideration of theoretical versus experimental results. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the application of certain theoretical principles.

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Individuals interested in structural engineering, mechanics of materials, or those looking to deepen their understanding of beam theory and loading conditions may find this discussion relevant.

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Hey

This may seem like a homework question, but its actually extending my knowledge...

I attended a lab, and it was for beam bending, here is the setup...

Beam of length was clamped at either end, think this is called "Indeterminately Loaded Beam"? Two loads are then applied to it, one at 25% of the way, and one at 75% of the way.

The delfection was measured, and using a quarter bridge strain gauge the strain was took.

Here is my problem, i want to know how to model this with theory, but i can't seem to figure out how to do it?

This is just to expand my understanding of loading, rather than any homework, but if it comes up in the future I want to know how to do my calculations.

Thanks for any help or light you can shed on this for me.
 
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Can you clarify how it is clamped. Is it supported on both ends or is set up as a cantilever? If it is set up in cantilever configuration use this equation to model it.

deflection = Load/(6 * Modulus of Elasticity * Moment of Inertia) * (2 * l^3 - 3 * l^2*x + x^3)

l = length of beam from clamping point to end
x = distance from end that load is placed

For multiple loads you could use superposition principles to figure out the total deflection.
 
Its clamped on both ends

/|...L1...L2...|\
/|____V______V_____|\
/|......|\

The V is where the L load is applied... For clarification __v_____v___ is the beam and |\ is the wall/clamp/fixing as in a cantilever beam. The ..... are just to format, so ignor

Strain gauage is possitioned between L1 and the wall/clamp

Thanks
 
It should still work with superposition. In calculating the stress you would figure out three simultaneous equations for the beam, by breaking loose all the redundant fixtures, until the beam is determinate and replacing them with unknown reactions.

This beam set up is the same as a cantilever with a moment and an upward force acting to the free end.

You solve for the unknown reactions (moment and upward force) in the simultaneous equations. Now that you have solved for the unknown reactions plug them back into the free body diagram and solve for the internal beam stresses.

The part I am not to sure about is how to account for the fixed end theorem for both ends of the beam to get actual results instead of theoretical.

Hope that helps
 
Hey

i will use superpossition to try and solve this, i have the real results so if the theory is close they i will know i have it right.

Thanks again for the advice
 
I have found the name of the beam configuration.

Its related to as a "Fixed end beam" and i think you apply superpossition to it from simply supported and cantilever, but still working on this to find how its done?
 

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