How do I solve this first order second degree differential equation?

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The discussion revolves around solving a first order second degree differential equation given by the expression \(\left(\frac {dy} {dx}\right)^2 + 2x^3 \frac {dy} {dx} - 4x^2y=0\). Participants explore various methods and approaches to find an analytical solution, discussing the nature of the equation and its classification.

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  • One participant asks how to solve the differential equation, indicating a need for clarity on the method.
  • Another participant reformulates the equation and introduces a new variable \(z\) to simplify the problem, suggesting that \(z > 0\) and providing a differential equation for \(z\).
  • A third participant mentions using Wolfram Alpha, which provides two solutions in implicit form, expressing confusion over the results.
  • A participant shares their past experience with the equation, recalling a solution given by a professor but expressing interest in understanding the method behind it.
  • One participant identifies the equation as a d'Alembert ODE and discusses the method of introducing a new variable for the derivative, providing detailed steps and links to additional resources.
  • Another participant rewrites the equation and attempts to derive a solution, showing their work and arriving at a form similar to what was previously mentioned.
  • Several participants acknowledge mistakes regarding signs in their equations, with edits made to clarify these points, but they maintain that the overall approach remains valid.

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There is no consensus on a single method or solution, as participants present various approaches and express differing levels of understanding and confidence in their methods. Some participants agree on the classification of the equation, while others focus on different aspects of the solution process.

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Participants note potential errors in sign and algebraic manipulation, which may affect the interpretation of the solutions. The discussion reflects a variety of assumptions and methods without resolving the overall approach to the equation.

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How do I solve this first order second degree differential equation ?
How to solve this first order second degree differential equation ?

##\left(\frac {dy} {dx}\right)^2 + 2x^3 \frac {dy} {dx} - 4x^2y=0 ##

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(y'+x^3)^2-x^6-4x^2(y+x^4/4)+x^6=0
z'^2=4x^2z
where ##z=y+\ x^4/4##.
We see z>0 and
\frac{dz}{dx}=\pm 2x z^{1/2}
 
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This is actually a differential equation that I encountered when I was in university many years ago. Of course, I myself did not have the ability to solve this differential equation. At that time, the professor only told me that its solution was ##~y=cx^2+c^2~ ## , and did not mention the method of solving. Now I am very interested to know how to find the analytical solution, or whether there is a standardized or generalized method to solve such a complicated differential equation.
 
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This is a d'Alembert ODE, also known as a Lagrange ODE. The form of this ODE is
$$ y = xf(y') + g(y') $$
If the "4" was a "2" then it is a Clairaut ODE, which is of the form:
$$ y = xy' + g(y') $$

The solution method involves introducing a new variable for the derivative: ##y'=p## and taking the derivative of the ODE again. Some explanation with worked out examples can be found here:
https://www.math24.net/lagrange-clairaut-equations
https://www.12000.org/my_notes/dAlmbert_ode/index.htm

For your example we simply introduce ##y'=p## and write it as ##y=xf(p) + g(p)##:

$$ y = \frac{1}{2}xp + \frac{1}{4x^2}p^2$$

and we then differentiate with respect to x:

$$ p = \frac{1}{2}p + \frac{1}{2}xp' +\frac{-1}{2x^3}p^2 + \frac{2}{4x^2}pp'$$
or:
$$ (\frac{1}{2x^3}p -\frac{1}{2})p = ( \frac{2}{4x^2}p + \frac{1}{2}x)\frac{dp}{dx}$$

[edit] minus sign wrong, this should be of course : ## (\frac{1}{2x^3}p +\frac{1}{2})p = ( \frac{2}{4x^2}p + \frac{1}{2}x)\frac{dp}{dx}##

we invert the derivation and write it as an ODE in ##\frac{dx}{dp}##:

$$ (\frac{1}{2x^3}p -\frac{1}{2})\frac{dx}{dp} = \frac{x( \frac{1}{2x^3}p +\frac{1}{2} )}{p}$$

We see that if your original ODE had a different minus sign (or maybe I made a mistake?) and was actually ##y'^2 - 2x^3y' +4x^2y=0 ## then this ODE would simplify to

$$ \frac{dx}{dp} = x/p$$

Whose solution is ## x= C p ## or ## p = Cx ##

The final solution of this ODE with different sign in terms of y is obtained by substitution of p into the d'Alembert equation above:

$$ y = \frac{1}{2}Cx^2 - \frac{1}{4x^2}C^2x^2 = C^{*} x^2 - C^{*2}$$

Which is pretty close to the solution that you remember from university.
 
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bigfooted said:
Which is pretty close to the solution that you remember from university.

Thanks you for providing detailed steps to solve this equation.

I tried to rewrite once as follows.

##\left(\frac {dy} {dx}\right)^2 + 2x^3 \frac {dy} {dx} - 4x^2y=0##

## \text {Let}~~ p=\frac {dy} {dx} ~~~,~~~ p^2+2x^3p-4x^2y=0 ~~~ ,~~~y = \frac{1}{2}xp + \frac{1}{4x^2}p^2 ~~~~~ (1)##

## \text {differentiate with respect to x} ~~~,~~~ p = \frac{1}{2}p + \frac{1}{2}x \left(\frac {dp}{dx}\right) +\frac{-1}{2x^3}p^2 + \frac{2}{4x^2}p\left(\frac {dp}{dx}\right)##

##\left(\frac{1}{2x^3}p -\frac{1}{2}+1\right)p = \left( \frac {2} {4x^2}p +\frac {1}{2}x\right) \frac {dp}{dx}
~~~,~~~\left(\frac{1}{2x^3}p+\frac{1}{2}\right)p = x\left( \frac {1} {2x^3}p +\frac {1}{2}\right) \frac {dp}{dx}##

## \text {Thus} ~~~ \frac {dx}{x}=\frac{dp}{p}~~~,~~~p=Cx ##

## \text{Substitute into equation (1)} ~~~y=\left(\frac{1}{2}C\right)x^2+{\left(\frac{1}{2}C\right)}^2=cx^2+c^2 ~~~ ## :smile:
 
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I saw I made a mistake with the minus sign, I've made an edit to point this out.
 
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bigfooted said:
I saw I made a mistake with the minus sign, I've made an edit to point this out.
This is just a small algebraic error, it does not affect you to show a wonderful way to solve that differential equation.
 

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