How Do Ions Move Through Perpendicular Electric and Magnetic Fields?

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The discussion focuses on the motion of ions through perpendicular electric (E) and magnetic (B) fields, establishing that ions pass through undeflected when their velocity (v) is defined by the equation v = E x B / B². Participants emphasize the application of the Lorentz force equation, F = q(E + v x B), to demonstrate that the forces from the electric and magnetic fields cancel each other out, resulting in no net force acting on the ions. Key mathematical manipulations, including vector triple product identities, are suggested to confirm this conclusion.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of the Lorentz force law (F = q(E + v x B))
  • Familiarity with vector cross products and their properties
  • Knowledge of electric fields (E) and magnetic flux density (B)
  • Basic principles of ion motion in electromagnetic fields
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the derivation of the Lorentz force law in detail
  • Learn about vector triple product identities and their applications
  • Explore the behavior of charged particles in electromagnetic fields
  • Investigate practical applications of electric and magnetic fields in particle accelerators
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Students in physics, particularly those studying electromagnetism, as well as educators and professionals involved in particle physics and engineering applications of electric and magnetic fields.

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Homework Statement



A beam of ions enters a region in which the electric field E and magnetic flux density B are normal to each other and both normal to the velocity of the ions. Show that if the velocity of the ions is related to the fields by

v=ExB/B2

then the ions pass through the region undeflected.


Homework Equations



Thinking of using

F=qvxB

but not sure.

The Attempt at a Solution



Substituting v from info into Lornetz force equation but it doesn't seem to answer the question.
 
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so for the ions to pass through unaffected, the force due to the elctric field & the motion through the magnetic must be equal & opposite (ie exactly cancel)
 
So would it be more accurate to use

qE=qvxB

and then substitute in the v equation?
 
sounds like a reasonable idea to me, give it a try

couple of pointers though, just be careful with your signs as the forces neecd to cancel out

now you could expand a vector triple product or make use of the orthoganalilty of the vectors in the question & look at the magnitudes...
 
HPRF said:
So would it be more accurate to use

qE=qvxB

and then substitute in the v equation?

If I were you, I would use the general form of the Lorentz force law \textbf{F}=q(\textbf{E}+\textbf{v}\times\textbf{B}), and plug in the velocity you are given...after using some vector triple product identities, you should find that the force on each ion \textbf{F} is zero.
 

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