How Do Ions Move Through Perpendicular Electric and Magnetic Fields?

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The discussion revolves around the motion of ions in a region where an electric field and a magnetic field are perpendicular to each other and to the velocity of the ions. The original poster presents a relationship between the velocity of the ions and the fields, seeking to demonstrate that the ions pass through the region without deflection.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the Lorentz force equation and consider the conditions under which the forces from the electric and magnetic fields would cancel each other out. There is also a suggestion to use vector identities to analyze the forces involved.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the relationship between the forces acting on the ions and the conditions for undeflected motion. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the Lorentz force law and the importance of signs in the calculations. Multiple approaches are being considered without a clear consensus on the best method yet.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on ensuring that the forces from the electric and magnetic fields are equal and opposite, which is central to the problem. Participants are also reminded to be cautious with vector signs and magnitudes in their calculations.

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Homework Statement



A beam of ions enters a region in which the electric field E and magnetic flux density B are normal to each other and both normal to the velocity of the ions. Show that if the velocity of the ions is related to the fields by

v=ExB/B2

then the ions pass through the region undeflected.


Homework Equations



Thinking of using

F=qvxB

but not sure.

The Attempt at a Solution



Substituting v from info into Lornetz force equation but it doesn't seem to answer the question.
 
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so for the ions to pass through unaffected, the force due to the elctric field & the motion through the magnetic must be equal & opposite (ie exactly cancel)
 
So would it be more accurate to use

qE=qvxB

and then substitute in the v equation?
 
sounds like a reasonable idea to me, give it a try

couple of pointers though, just be careful with your signs as the forces neecd to cancel out

now you could expand a vector triple product or make use of the orthoganalilty of the vectors in the question & look at the magnitudes...
 
HPRF said:
So would it be more accurate to use

qE=qvxB

and then substitute in the v equation?

If I were you, I would use the general form of the Lorentz force law \textbf{F}=q(\textbf{E}+\textbf{v}\times\textbf{B}), and plug in the velocity you are given...after using some vector triple product identities, you should find that the force on each ion \textbf{F} is zero.
 

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