How Do Killing Vectors Affect Geodesic Deviation?

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The discussion centers around the effects of Killing vectors on geodesic deviation, exploring the mathematical relations and derivations involved. Participants are seeking clarity on specific calculations and the implications of these vectors in the context of spacetime geometry.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in reproducing a relation for departure from geodesity and seeks guidance on the correct calculation process.
  • Another participant questions whether the unit vector property of V was utilized in the calculations.
  • A participant discusses the antisymmetry property of Killing vectors and presents a mathematical derivation involving the Killing vector and its implications for geodesic deviation.
  • A later reply thanks the contributor for their derivation and shares their own relation, inviting feedback on its correctness.
  • Another participant requests further assistance in verifying the correctness of their relation in comparison to the previously discussed relation.

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Participants reference specific mathematical properties and relations without fully resolving the implications or assumptions involved in their calculations.

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Here is a piece http://www.photodump.com/direct/Bbking22/departurefromgeodesity.jpg from "The large scale structure of spacetime" and there is noway for me to reproduce the relation for departure from geodesity and the previous relation :cry: . Is there any idea about the right process for the calculations. Thanks for your time!
 
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Did you use the fact that V is a unit vector?
 
Since [itex]K[/itex] is a Killing vector, it satisfies the antisymmetry property [itex]K_{a;b}=-K_{b;a}[/itex]. From [itex]f^{2}=-K^{c}K_{c}[/itex] and antisymmetry,

[tex] ff_{;b}=-K_{c;b}K^{c}=K_{b;c}K^{c}[/tex]

From [itex]V^{a}=f^{-1}K^{a}[/itex],

[tex] \begin{align*}<br /> V^{a}{}_{;b}V^{b} & =-f^{-3}f_{;b}K^{a}K^{b}+f^{-2}K^{a}{}_{;b}K^{b}\\<br /> & =-f^{-4}K_{b;c}K^{b}K^{c}K^{a}+f^{-2}K_{c;b}K^{b}g^{ca}.<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]

The first term on the left vanishes because of the combination of antisymmetry and symmetry in [itex]K_{b;c}K^{b}K^{c}[/itex]. The second term on the left, when used with the [itex]ff_{;b}[/itex] equation, gives the desired result.

Regards,
George
 
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Thank you guys for your time . George thank you very much for the help and the nice derivation of the relation! Here is my answear for the previous relation http://www.photodump.com/direct/Bbking22/hyperrelation.jpg . I would like you to check it out and tell me if you agree.
 
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Can someone give some further help about the http://www.photodump.com/direct/Bbking22/hyperrelation.jpg , and tell me if that is the right way for the http://www.photodump.com/direct/Bbking22/departurefromgeodesity.jpg
 
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