How do ladder operators generate energy values in a SHO?

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The discussion focuses on the application of ladder operators in the context of a simple harmonic oscillator (SHO) to generate energy values. The operators defined are a_+ = (1/√2)(-∂/∂y + y) and a_- = (1/√2)(∂/∂y + y). The confusion arose from the expectation of a cross product during the multiplication of these operators, which was clarified by the realization that they must be applied sequentially to a wave function for proper interpretation. This insight resolves the misunderstanding regarding the missing terms in the operator multiplication.

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Hello,

I am currently studying ladder operator for a simple harmonic operator as a method for generating the energy values. This seem like a simple algebra question I am asking so I do apologize but I just can't figure it out. Here are my operator definitions,

[itex]a_+=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(-\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+y)[/itex] and [itex]a_-=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+y)[/itex]​

My notes then say that

[itex]a_+a_-=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(-\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+y)[/itex][itex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(\frac{\partial}{\partial y}+y)=\frac{1}{2}(-\frac{\partial^2}{\partial y^2}+y^2+1)[/itex]​

I see where every resulting term comes from but it seems like there is a cross product missing, when [itex]y[/itex] multiplies [itex]\frac{\partial}{\partial y}[/itex] ie the second term in the left hand brackets times the first term in the right hand bracket. It seems to have multiplied to equal zero.
Could anyone explain where I'm going wrong? Thanks
 
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Sorry, I've actually just figured this out, apply the operators one at a time to an arbitrary function and this works.
 
maximus123 said:
Sorry, I've actually just figured this out, apply the operators one at a time to an arbitrary function and this works.

That's exactly right. The operators make no sense by themselves. They must be applied to a wave function. That wavefunction is often absent to reduce clutter but it really is there all the time.
 

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