How Do Positrons Reach Cloud Chambers Without Annihilating?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of positrons as they travel to cloud chambers, particularly focusing on the conditions under which they may annihilate upon contact with electrons. Participants explore the implications of positron movement and the mechanisms of detection in cloud chambers.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how positrons can reach cloud chambers without annihilating, suggesting that only photons from annihilation should be observed.
  • Another participant challenges the notion of "upon contact with an electron," stating it is an oversimplification and inaccurate for reasoning.
  • A participant proposes that the probability of annihilation is low unless the positron is moving slowly relative to an electron, allowing it to cover more distance before annihilation occurs.
  • Evidence from a bubble-chamber photograph is referenced, illustrating a positron track that stops due to a rare annihilation event with a stationary electron, resulting in the production of photons and subsequent particle pairs.
  • It is noted that the probability of annihilation remains low until the positron encounters a dense medium, such as a heavy plate with many electrons.

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Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of positron annihilation and the conditions affecting it, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the movement of positrons and the conditions under which annihilation occurs, as well as the definitions of "contact" with electrons.

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I was researching on the Anderson cloud chamber that discovered the positron in 1932. I couldn't help but wonder, if positron annihilates upon contact with an electron, how was it able to get till the cloud chamber without annihilation? Shouldn't the 2 photons be the only thing observed in the cloud chamber which are produced upon annihilation? Or does a cloud chamber detects only the existence of positron and does not mean that the positron is exactly at that point in that time.
 
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”Upon contact with an electron” is an extremely popularised version of what is going on. It is so inaccurate that no reasoning can be based on it.
 
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Orodruin said:
”Upon contact with an electron” is an extremely popularised version of what is going on. It is so inaccurate that no reasoning can be based on it.
Could you then tell me what the accurate reasoning is?
 
The probability of annihilation is very low unless the positron is moving slowly with respect to the electron. While it's slowing down its moving quickly and thus covers a lot of ground.
 
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The probability of annihilation is very low until it hits a heavy plate with a large density of electrons.
 
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