How do quarks transform under SO(3)?

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The discussion centers on how quarks and gluons transform under the SO(3) symmetry, particularly in the context of their representations in quantum chromodynamics (QCD) and their relationship to Lorentz transformations. Participants explore the mathematical structure of these transformations and the implications for understanding particle properties.

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  • One participant states that quarks transform as Dirac spinors in the (1/2, 1/2) representation, with specific indices for SU(3) color and Dirac spinor indices.
  • Another participant describes the transformation of quarks under Lorentz and SU(3) transformations, providing a mathematical representation of the indices involved.
  • There is a suggestion that gluons also have a similar transformation structure, with a focus on their adjoint representation under SU(3).
  • A later reply emphasizes that there is no direct connection between SU(3) representations and the spin of the particles, noting that quarks are fermions due to the fermionic nature of protons, while gluons are spin-1 due to their role as gauge connections.
  • Another participant agrees that space-time symmetries and internal symmetries are unrelated in the context of the standard model.

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Participants express some agreement on the transformation properties of quarks and gluons, but there is also a recognition of the complexity and potential for differing interpretations regarding the relationship between symmetry representations and particle spin.

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Participants highlight the potential for confusion regarding indices and the mathematical representation of transformations, indicating that further clarification may be needed to fully understand the implications of these transformations.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum field theory, particle physics, or the mathematical foundations of gauge theories, particularly in relation to symmetry transformations.

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Quarks transform in the fundamental representation under SU(3), gluons in the adjoint represention under SU(3), leaving the theory (QCD) invariant.

But how can I find out how quarks transform under SO(3)? I know how to decompose a Lorentz tensor under SO(3), like a four-vector or EM field strength vector. But what about fields in SU(3) representations? How can I see that the quarks are spinors and the glouns are vectors?

hope the question makes sense, thank you
 
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I guess by SO(3) you mean the rotation sub-group of the Lorentz group SO(3,1). Quarks transform as Dirac-spinors = in the (1/2, 1/2) representation similar to electrons. The indices look like

[tex]q^i_a[/tex]

where i=1..3 means the SU(3) color index and a=1..4 means the Dirac spinor index. That means q is a 3*4 matrix with 3 color and 4 Lorentz indices. The two different transformations act on "their" indices. They look like

[tex]q^i_a \to (q^\prime)^i_a = S(\Lambda)_{ab} q^i_b[/tex]

[tex]q^i_a \to (q^\prime)^i_a = U_{ik} q^k_a[/tex]

S means a 4*4 Lorentz transformation; U means a 3*3 SU(3) color transformation.
 
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Thanks, Tom!

And for gluons similar, I suppose?
 
Gluons look like

[tex]A_\mu^a[/tex]

where a=1..8 is the color-index in the adjoint rep. Alternatively one can define

[tex](A_\mu)_{ik} = A_\mu^a (T^a)_{ik}[/tex]

where you can see the "bi-color" index i,k
 
thanks again, Tom!

I got lost in the indices, I guess..
 
It's probably worthwhile to point out that there is no connection whatsoever between the SU(3) representation and the spin of the particles in the representation. For instance, if the SU(3) symmetry were actually just a part of some larger (spontaneously broken) symmetry, such as SU(5), there would be (heavy) spin-1 particles in the fundamental representation SU(3), while if SUSY is correct, there are spin-1/2 particles in the adjoint.

At a more fundamental level, we know that quarks are fermions because proton is a fermion, meaning that something among its constituents must be fermionic, and that gluons are spin-1 because that is what is required of the gauge connection of a simple Lie group.
 
That's a good point; in the standard model space-time symmetries like SO(3,1) and internal symmetries like U(1), SU(2) and SU(3) are unrelated.
 

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