How do transformations in group G relate to curves in Lie algebras?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between transformations in a group G and curves in Lie algebras, focusing on the properties of curves that pass through the identity element of the group. Participants explore the implications of these transformations, the nature of curves in Lie groups, and the mathematical structures involved.

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  • Some participants define a curve g_j(t) in group G that passes through the identity element and question the implications of transformations like hg(t)h^{-1} also being curves in G.
  • There is a query about how to combine a polynomial function with group elements, specifically in the context of SU(2) matrices.
  • One participant suggests that the definition of g_j(t) is loose and may not represent a strict map, emphasizing the arbitrary nature of the parameter t.
  • Another participant clarifies that a curve in a Lie group is a function from an interval of real numbers into the group, supporting the transformation of curves under group operations.
  • There is a discussion about the expression g_{2}(t)\xi_{1}g_{2}(t)^{-1} being in Lie(G) and further questions about related expressions and their implications for Lie algebras.
  • One participant explains that Lie algebras are vector spaces closed under addition, which leads to a discussion about the implications of smoothness in functions and their pushforwards.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement on the properties of curves and transformations in Lie groups and algebras. Some points are clarified, while others remain contested, particularly regarding the implications of certain mathematical expressions.

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Some participants note the loose definition of curves and the need for clarity on the mappings involved. There are unresolved questions about the specific meanings of certain mathematical notations and the implications of smoothness in the context of Lie algebras.

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Let:

[tex]g_{j}(t)[/tex] be a curve in a group G, which goes through the identity element; g_j(t=0) = identity.

and:

[tex]\xi_{j}=\frac{d}{dt}g_{j}(t)\right|_{t=0}[/tex]

We know that:

[tex]\xi_{j}{\in}Lie(G)[/tex]

Why can we say:

1) [tex]hg(t)h^{-1}[/tex] (h is an element of the Group)

is also a curve in the group, which goes through the identity element, ie. g(t=0)=identity? [As an aside - how would you even go about doing this transformation - I mean if g(t) is a curve (for example g(t)=2t+4t^3), how can you combine this function with h and h^-1, which are, say, SU(2) matrices?]

2) [tex]g_{2}(t)\xi_{1}g_{2}(t)^{-1}{\in}Lie(G)[/tex]?

I mean, these look a bit like similarity transformations - can someone clarify why these statements are true?

Thanks.
 
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vertices said:
Let:

[tex]g_{j}(t)[/tex] be a curve in a group G, which goes through the identity element, ie. g(t=0)=identity

Do mean g_j(t = 0) = identity?
vertices said:
I mean if g(t) is a curve (for example g(t)=2t+4t^3), how can you combine this function with h and h^-1, which are, say, SU(2) matrices?]

As a function, the curve g_j in the group G maps what set to what set?

As a function, g(t) = 2t+4t^3 maps what set to what set?
 
George Jones said:
Do mean g_j(t = 0) = identity?

yes (i have corrected OP)

As a function, the curve g_j in the group G maps what set to what set?

I am not sure if g_j is a map as such. In fact the definition of g_j(t) is very loose - it is any curve that simply goes through the identity of the group.

As a function, g(t) = 2t+4t^3 maps what set to what set?

Well, from parameter t to the function g(t), but the parameter is arbitrary, it doesn't matter what it is (with the exception of the constraint mentioned in the OP that d/dt og it evaluated at t=0 must be the tangent space to G at the identity)
 
A curve in a set S is a function from an interval of the real numbers into S, so if g is a curve in a Lie group G, then so is [itex]t\mapsto hg(t)h^{-1}[/itex] (since g(t) and h are both members of G).

An expression like [itex]gAg^{-1}[/itex] where g is a member of the Lie group and A is a member of the Lie algebra clearly makes sense if we're dealing with a group of matrices (because then g and A are both matrices). If the Lie group isn't a matrix Lie group, then we can still make sense of it, by defining that notation to mean

[tex]\lambda_g_*\rho_{g^{-1}}_*A[/tex]

where [itex]\lambda_g[/itex] is left multiplication by g and [itex]\rho_{g^{-1}}[/itex] is right multiplication by [itex]g^{-1}[/itex]. Look up "pushforward" or "push-forward" if you don't know what the * means.
 
Thanks for the reply.

Okay, I am convinced that:

[tex] g_{2}(t)\xi_{1}g_{2}(t)^{-1}{\in}Lie(G)[/tex]

May I ask a few more questions: why is it also the case that:

[tex] [g_{2}(t)\xi_{1}g_{2}(t)^{-1}-\xi]{\in}Lie(G)[/tex]

and can someone please explain these statements:

"by smoothness

[tex] \underbrace{lim}_{t\rightarrow0}\frac{1}{t}[g_{2}(t)\xi_{1}g_{2}(t)^{-1}-\xi]{\in}Lie(G)[/tex]

this implies that [tex][\xi_{1},\xi_{2}]{\in}Lie(G)[/tex]"

Thanks.
 
Because a Lie algebra is a vector space, and vector spaces are always closed under addition. If x and y are members of a vector space V, then so is x-y=x+(-y).

What does the underbrace thing mean? Is it just a limit or something else? And what does "this" refer to? Ah, is it a new sentence, so it refers to the sentence before it? An uppercase T would have helped. I think they mean that the smoothness of the function

[tex]\phi=\lambda_{g_2(t)}\circ\rho_{g_2(t)^{-1}}[/tex]

implies that its pushforward is a map from [itex]T_eG[/itex] into [itex]T_{\phi(e)}G=T_eG[/itex], i.e. from [itex]\mathfrak g[/itex] into [itex]\mathfrak g[/itex].
 

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