How Do Velocities Change After a Collision Between Two Spherical Particles?

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The discussion revolves around a collision between two spherical particles with given masses and initial velocities. The problem involves analyzing the velocities of the particles after the collision, considering the coefficient of restitution and the conservation of momentum.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the problem, including the masses and velocities of the particles. Some express uncertainty about how to apply conservation of momentum and the coefficient of restitution. Others are attempting to construct equations based on their understanding of vector components.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their attempts and seeking clarification on the application of momentum conservation in vector form. There is a recognition of the need to separate momentum equations for different directions, and some guidance has been offered regarding the use of vector notation.

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Some participants mention a lack of understanding of the vector nature of momentum conservation, indicating potential gaps in foundational knowledge. The discussion includes references to physical assumptions such as smooth collisions and the coefficient of restitution.

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A smooth spherical particle with mass 2.5 kg collides with a second smooth spherical
particle of mass 6kg. Before the collision, the first particle has velocity 9ms^1
in the positive x-direction while the second particle has velocity 6ms^1 in the positive y-direction. At the instant of collision, the particles are so that the normals to their surfaces at the point of contact are ±n, where n
is a unit vector inclined at -pi/4 from the x-axis as shown. You may assume that the coefficient of restitution e = 2/3 and that no other forces are involved. Determine the velocities v1,1 and v2,1 of the first and second particles respectively, immediately after the collision.
 
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hi ly667! welcome to pf! :wink:

show us what you've tried, and where you're stuck, and then we'll know how to help! :smile:
 
I don't really have much of an idea to be honest, nor do my classmates. We have been looking at it all night :(
Basically what I have so far is.. I have constructed my diagram.
Particle 1: m1=2.5, v1=9
Particle 2: m2=6, v2=6

Particles interact along line, to n=v1-v2
we also need m, a vector perpendicular to n
m=v1+v2 (so m.n=0)

Physical assumptions: momentum conservation
coeff of rest 2/3
smooth collisions
 
this is an inelastic collision

so you need conservation of momentum in two perpendicular directions (either x and y, or n and z×n)

and one more equation, which will be the coefficient of restitution equation

(the coefficient of restitution is the ratio of the relative speed after to the relative speed before the collision, see the pf library)

show us what you get :smile:
 
Okay, so far I have

Mathematically condition i.) gives
m1,v1,0+m2v2,0=m1,v1,1+m2v2,1

ie. 2.5(v1,1)+6(v2,1)=22.5+36 = 58.5

while ii.) gives(v2,1-v1,1)= e(v2,0-v1,0).n

and iii.) gives (v2,1-v1,1).m= (v2,0-v1,0).m

=0 since n=v2,0-v1,0

Its easiest to work in components

let v2,1=9u2+6w2
and v1,1=9u1+6w1

momentum cons becomes

2.5(9u1)+2.5(6w1)+6(9u2)+6(6w2)=58.5

I am stuck and don't know what to do from here.. Is what I have done correct?
 
ly667 said:
ie. 2.5(v1,1)+6(v2,1)=22.5+36 = 58.5

ah, no wonder you're stuck, your professor obviously hasn't explained to you the vector nature of conservation of momentum :redface:

your 58.5 is the sum of the x and y components of momentum …

you can't do that!

momentum is a vector, and obeys the laws of vector addition

you can't add components in different directions

write out two equations, one for conservation of momentum in the x direction, and one for conservation of momentum in the y direction :smile:
 
So should I use my velocity value as vectors, ie instead of v1=9, let it equal 9i?
 
yes :smile:
 
Okay :) thank you! Will do that now! Could you please help me with my collisions question? I have gotten a good bit of it done but am stuck at a point!
 

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