How Do Skaters' Velocities Change After Grabbing a Pole?

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The discussion focuses on the physics of two skaters, each with a mass of 60 kg, who grab a pole while skating towards each other at velocities of 2.1 m/s. The radius of their circular motion after grabbing the pole is determined to be 1.7 m. The key equations involved include angular momentum conservation (L(initial)=L(final)) and the relationship between angular speed (ω) and linear speed (v) given by ω = v/r. Participants express confusion regarding the calculation of angular speed and kinetic energy, particularly after the skaters pull closer together to a distance of 0.8 m.

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Homework Statement


In the figure below, two skaters, each of mass 60 kg, approach each other along parallel paths separated by 3.4 m. They have opposite velocities of 2.1 m/s each. One skater carries one end of a long pole with negligible mass, and the second skater grabs the other end of it as she passes. The skaters then rotate around the center of the pole. Assume that the friction between skates and ice is negligible.
(a) What is the radius of the circle they now skate in? Answer=1.7 m
(b) What is the angular speed of the skaters?
(c) What is the kinetic energy of the two-skater system?
(d) Next, the skaters pull along the pole until they are separated by 0.8 m. What is their angular speed then?
(e) Calculate the kinetic energy of the system now.
Hint:The angular momentum of the two-skater system cannot change because there is no net external torque to change it. The angular momentum of a particle is the product of the particle's momentum (mv) and the perpendicular distance from its path to the center about which we calculate angular momentum (here the center of the pole). How is rotational kinetic energy related to rotational inertia and angular speed?

Homework Equations


L(initial)=L(final)
L=mvr=Iw
I=Sum(mr^2)
w=v/r

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm stuck at part b. I have tried w=v/r (w being angular speed) but the answer is incorrect. I have tried using mvr=Iw and the answer is not correct. The answer is not 2.1, 1.2, 1.1, or 1.05. I don't know how else to find w, and I don't understand why my answer is incorrect.
 
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efitzgerald21 said:

Homework Statement


In the figure below, two skaters, each of mass 60 kg, approach each other along parallel paths separated by 3.4 m. They have opposite velocities of 2.1 m/s each. One skater carries one end of a long pole with negligible mass, and the second skater grabs the other end of it as she passes. The skaters then rotate around the center of the pole. Assume that the friction between skates and ice is negligible.
(a) What is the radius of the circle they now skate in? Answer=1.7 m
(b) What is the angular speed of the skaters?
(c) What is the kinetic energy of the two-skater system?
(d) Next, the skaters pull along the pole until they are separated by 0.8 m. What is their angular speed then?
(e) Calculate the kinetic energy of the system now.
Hint:The angular momentum of the two-skater system cannot change because there is no net external torque to change it. The angular momentum of a particle is the product of the particle's momentum (mv) and the perpendicular distance from its path to the center about which we calculate angular momentum (here the center of the pole). How is rotational kinetic energy related to rotational inertia and angular speed?

Homework Equations


L(initial)=L(final)
L=mvr=Iw
I=Sum(mr^2)
w=v/r


The Attempt at a Solution


I'm stuck at part b. I have tried w=v/r (w being angular speed) but the answer is incorrect. I have tried using mvr=Iw and the answer is not correct. The answer is not 2.1, 1.2, 1.1, or 1.05. I don't know how else to find w, and I don't understand why my answer is incorrect.

Is the problem perhaps related to the units or significant figures you're specifying in your answer? ω = v/r is a good approach.
 

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