How do we know the size of the universe?

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The discussion revolves around the methods and concepts used to determine the size of the universe, particularly focusing on the distinction between the observable universe and potential infinite expanses beyond it. Participants explore various analogies and calculations related to scales in physics, including comparisons of atomic and cosmic sizes.

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  • Some participants question how the size of the universe can be calculated if it may be infinite, suggesting that discussions often refer to the observable universe.
  • One participant provides a calculation involving Planck length and hydrogen atom size, noting a significant difference in scale.
  • Another participant reflects on a documentary's claim regarding the size of a string compared to an atom when enlarged to the size of the solar system, expressing surprise at the scale presented.
  • There are calculations presented that suggest if an atom were enlarged to the size of the observable universe, the Planck length would correspond to the size of around two hundred pinheads, although this is stated with uncertainty.
  • A participant proposes breaking down the scale into three units, comparing the Planck length to the diameter of a nucleus, then to the width of New Jersey, and finally to the diameter of the observable universe.

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Participants generally agree that discussions about the size of the universe typically refer to the observable universe, but there is no consensus on the implications of infinite size or the accuracy of the analogies and calculations presented.

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Some calculations and comparisons made by participants depend on specific assumptions about scale and may not account for all variables involved in cosmological measurements.

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I constantly hear facts like, if an atom was enlarged to the size of the solar system, a string would be the size of a tree. But how are we able to calculate the size of the universe if it may be infinite? Is it just the observable universe?
 
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Lunct said:
Is it just the observable universe?
Yes. This will typically be what someone referring to "the size of the Universe" means.
 
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Orodruin said:
Yes. This will typically be what someone referring to "the size of the Universe" means.
Thanks
 
Lunct said:
I constantly hear facts like, if an atom was enlarged to the size of the solar system, a string would be the size of a tree. But how are we able to calculate the size of the universe if it may be infinite? Is it just the observable universe?

Plank length 1.6 * 10-35, hydrogen atom 2.5 * 10-11 difference is around 1024
Hydrogen atom 2.5 * 10-11, solar system 1013 difference is around 1024

if an atom was enlarged to the size of the solar system, a string would be around the size of a atom
 
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stefan r said:
Plank length 1.6 * 10-35, hydrogen atom 2.5 * 10-11 difference is around 1024
Hydrogen atom 2.5 * 10-11, solar system 1013 difference is around 1024
I watched a documentary and it said tree, I admit I was a bit surprised - I thought they would be much smaller. An atom makes so much more sense.
Thanks for the clarification.
 
stefan r said:
Plank length 1.6 * 10-35, hydrogen atom 2.5 * 10-11 difference is around 1024
Hydrogen atom 2.5 * 10-11, solar system 1013 difference is around 1024
That would mean if you would enlarge an atom to the size of the observable universe, the Planck length would be equivalent to the size of around two hundred pinheads.
May be wrong
 
Lunct said:
That would mean if you would enlarge an atom to the size of the observable universe, the Planck length would be equivalent to the size of around two hundred pinheads.
May be wrong
better to find a mid point IMO.
8.7×1026 m
1.62×10−35 m
Maybe a fog particle or width of human hair.
You could also break it up into 3 units of 1020. plank length:diameter of nucleus, nucleus:width of New Jersey, New Jersey: diameter observable universe.
Orders_of_magnitude_(length)

"200 pin heads" could be a 10X20 pile or 200 in a row.
 

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