How Do You Analyze a PV Diagram for a Diatomic Ideal Gas Cycle?

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The discussion revolves around analyzing a PV diagram for a diatomic ideal gas undergoing a specific thermodynamic cycle. The cycle consists of three distinct legs: heating at constant volume, isothermal expansion, and isobaric compression, with the goal of expressing various thermodynamic quantities in terms of given parameters.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the representation of the process on a PV diagram and express thermodynamic quantities such as heat (Q), work (W), and change in internal energy (ΔE) for each leg of the cycle. There are attempts to relate these quantities to the given parameters Po and Vo, with some questioning how to apply the ideal gas law under varying conditions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing insights and suggestions for expressing variables in terms of the given parameters. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationships between the quantities involved, but multiple interpretations and approaches are still being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on using the ideal gas law and the specific heat capacities for a diatomic gas. Participants are also navigating the implications of non-constant pressure and volume during the different legs of the cycle.

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Homework Statement


A diatomic ideal gas originally at pressure Po and volume Vo is heated at
constant volume until its pressure increases by a factor of 3. Next it is
isothermally expanded until its pressure returns to Po. Finally it is
isobarically compressed to its initial volume.

a) Show the process on a PV diagram.

b) Find Q, W, and delta E for each of the 3 legs [All entries should be in terms of the “givens”—
Po and Vo.]


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The Attempt at a Solution



Part A) Note the very crude attachment.

Part B) I think i have this generaly correct, but I am having trouble using the given terms

Leg 1 (AB)

Q = E = nC_v(delta T), W = 0

Leg 2 (BC)

Q = W, E = 0

Leg 3 (CA)

Q = E + W, W = P(delta V)
 

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joemama69 said:
Q = E = nC_v(delta T), W = 0

That's right. Just express n, Cv, and delta-T in terms of gamma, P0, and V0. Remember that PV=nRT.

Leg 2 (BC)

Q = W, E = 0

Do you know how to find the work done by an isothermal process?

Leg 3 (CA)

Q = E + W, W = P(delta V)

Yeah. Now express delta-V in terms of V0.
 
"That's right. Just express n, Cv, and delta-T in terms of gamma, P0, and V0. Remember that PV=nRT."

but PV isn't constant, how can is use the pv equation
 
PV isn't constant, but P1V1-P0V0 = nR(T1-T0).
 
ok so i just solve that equatio for n and delta-T and plug those in...

n = (PV - initial PV)/R(detaT)... delta T = (PV-initial PV)/nR...

C_v is constand volume so is that just C_v = V_o
 
leg 2...


Q = W = nRT(ln V/V_o), E = 0

leg 3...

Q = E + W, W = P(delta V) = P(v-v_o), can E be expressed in P & V
 

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