How Do You Calculate Capacitor C1's Value After Connection?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the capacitance of capacitor C1 after it is connected to another capacitor C2, which has a known capacitance and potential difference. The initial conditions include a potential difference of 20 V across C1 and 4 V across C2, with a resulting potential difference of 2 V after connection.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the initial charge on C2 and its potential energy, questioning the interpretation of potential energy versus potential difference. They suggest writing equations for the charges on both capacitors after connection and consider the cancellation of charges due to opposite signs.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to set up equations based on the conservation of charge and the relationship between charge, capacitance, and potential difference. There is no explicit consensus on the final approach, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may be constrained by the initial potential given for C1 and the requirement to find its capacitance without additional information. The potential energy of C2 is also under discussion, indicating a potential source of confusion.

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Homework Statement



Capacitor C1 is charged so that potential difference between its plates is 20 V. Another capacitor C2=33µF has potential difference of 4 V between its plates. After plates of the capacitors that carry the charge of opposite sign were connected the potential difference became 2 V. Find capacitance C1.

Homework Equations



Q=CV
U=(1/2)QV=(1/2)CV2

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that the charge on C2 is initially 122µC and that the potential energy on C2 is initially 2.64*10-4 J.

The answer to the problem is supposed to be 11µF, but I don't know how I am supposed to figure this out having been given only the initial potential for C1.
 
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Qwerty459 said:
and that the potential on C2 is initially 2.64*10-4 J.

You mean potential energy.
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Take charge on C1 as (C1)20 ... write charges on the 2 capacitors after they are connected, take charge on any1 capacitor as Q1 ... so on other will be net charge left - Q1.
keep in mind that charges will cancel out as opposite charge plates are connected.

Now potential of both capacitors is 2V
write eqn Q=CV for 2 capacitors and eliminate Q1
you'll get C1
 


cupid.callin said:
You mean potential energy.
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Take charge on C1 as (C1)20 ... write charges on the 2 capacitors after they are connected, take charge on any1 capacitor as Q1 ... so on other will be net charge left - Q1.
keep in mind that charges will cancel out as opposite charge plates are connected.

Now potential of both capacitors is 2V
write eqn Q=CV for 2 capacitors and eliminate Q1
you'll get C1

Yes, Potential Energy.
 


Treat the two connected plate as something parallel (as they should hold the same potential)

And by conservation of charges, compute the results. Note that we have "cancellation" of charges as we are connecting to the opposite side.
 

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