How Do You Calculate the Changing Mass of a Sublimating Solid?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the changing mass of a sublimating solid, specifically focusing on the sublimation rate and its implications over time. Participants explore the complexities of the problem, including assumptions about surface area changes and environmental conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes calculating the mass loss by multiplying the sublimation rate by the initial surface area and time, questioning if this approach is overly simplistic due to changing surface area.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the form of the solid (single chunk or powder) and the fraction of mass lost, suggesting these factors could influence approximations.
  • A participant mentions that the solid is a single chunk and expresses interest in determining the fraction of original mass lost, linking the problem to an electrical issue related to sublimation.
  • One participant suggests modeling the problem similarly to the sublimation of dry ice at room temperature and atmospheric pressure, indicating a potential simplification.
  • Another participant notes that if the mass change is minimal, the surface area can be assumed constant for easier calculations, but emphasizes the complexity of accurately modeling sublimation due to various influencing factors.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliability of the provided sublimation rate, with suggestions that it may represent a maximum or average rate, which could lead to different estimates of mass loss.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the best approach to calculate mass loss due to sublimation, with no consensus on the method or assumptions to be used. Multiple competing views and models are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the specific conditions of sublimation, such as vapor pressure and airflow, which are not fully defined. The discussion also highlights the potential variability in sublimation rates based on environmental factors.

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Hi all, I am forced to step outside of my field to investigate a problem that might root in sublimation of solids. I am trying to calculate the mass (after a certain time) of a material that we know is sublimating at , say .000123 g/(cm^2 hr). Is it as simple as multiplying the rate by the initial surface area and time?

Subliming for 20 cm^2 solid for 1000 hrs: mass = .000123*20*1000 = 2.46 grams of material turned to gas?

Seems to me that since the surface area is changing I have to integrate. Am I making it too complicated?

Note: (Consider the solid in vacuum and isothermal and the sublimation rate is for this environment)
 
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Your guesses are as good as mine.

Is the solid in the form of a single chunk, or some powder? What fraction of the original mass is lost? (these will not change the general picture, but they can justify some approximations).

Please note this question should land in the homework section (as it is indistinguishable from a HW problem). Moving.
 
The material is in a single chuck (small cylinder). The fraction of the original mass is exactly what I hope to find out.

It would make a good homework problem, it is actually an investigation of an electrical problem. I am wondering if this sublimation eventually leads to reformation of conductive solids that short my circuit.

Can we model it as a simpler problem, maybe how long it takes for a chuck of dry ice to disappear at room temp and 1atm? It's the same principal right? I'm EE so I'm stretching outside my realm..
 
tempneff said:
The material is in a single chuck (small cylinder). The fraction of the original mass is exactly what I hope to find out.

If the change in mass is low enough, change of the size of the cylinder is so small you can assume its surface is constant - that makes calculation quite easy.

Exact value depends on so many factors I am not sure it is possible to calculate without lot of other data (sublimation speed is a function of the vapor pressure, that in turns depends on the air flow around the element; exact modeling of such things is typically a nightmare). No idea what the number you listed comes from, can be it is a maximum rate (in which case it can be used to estimate maximum possible mass loss, and the real loss is almost guaranteed to be lower), can be it is some average (which will give a reasonable estimate for 'typical' condition, but can be seriously off if your setup is non-standard).

Note: the above is an educated guess based on my old experience with diffusional transport processes. They are in many ways similar, but not identical, so my intuition can be off.
 
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