How Do You Calculate the Density of States for Massless Particles in a 3D Cube?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the single particle density of states for massless particles in a three-dimensional cube, specifically using the dispersion relation E=h_bar ck. Participants are exploring the implications of their calculations and the relationship between energy and volume in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the density of states using methods similar to those for massive particles, while adjusting for the massless case. They express concern over an unexpected dependence on volume in their results.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between the differential elements in momentum space and their implications for the density of states calculation.
  • Questions arise regarding how to express the density of states on a per unit volume basis and how to adjust the calculations accordingly.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of defining the density of states for massless particles, including the implications of volume in their calculations. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions made in the derivation process.

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Homework Statement


Calculate the single particle density of states for massless particles with dispersion E=h_bar ck for a 3D cube of volume V

Homework Equations


E=pc, p=E/c,
dp=dE/c, d^3p = 4pi*p^2 dp
k=sqrt(k_x^2+k_y^2+k_z^2)
k_j = 2pi/L l_j (j=x,y,z)

The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried calculating the density of states in the exact same way as I do for a massive particle but using different energy relations.

Sum(all K)
= sum(all kx,ky,kz)
= int(dl_x dl_y dl_z)
= int ((2pi/Lh_bar)^3 d^3p)
= int ((2pi/Lh_bar)^3 4pi*p^2 dp)
= int ((2pi/Lh_bar)^3 4pi*E^2/c^3 dE)

D(E) = (2pi/Lh_bar)^3 4pi*E^2/c^3

The powers are correct for E and C however I seem to have a dependce on the volume (1/L^3 = 1/V) which I should not be getting - does anyone know why I am getting this?

Thanks,
James
 
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jammydav93 said:
k_j = 2pi/L l_j (j=x,y,z)
-----------------------
int(dl_x dl_y dl_z)
= int ((2pi/Lh_bar)^3 d^3p)

From ##k_j = \frac{2\pi}{L}l_j##, what do you get for ##dl_j## in terms of ##dk_j##?
 
I get:

dl_j = L/2pi dk_j = L/(2pi*h_bar) dp_j

Sorry that must have been a typo, I still seem to have an L^3 term which won't go away though.

I now get:
= int(dl_x dl_y dl_z)
= int ((L/2pi*h_bar)^3 d^3p)
= int ((L/2pi*h_bar)^3 4pi*p^2 dp)
= int ((L/2pi*h_bar)^3 4pi*E^2/c^3 dE)

D(E) = (L/2pi*h_bar)^3 4pi*E^2/c^3
 
OK, I think that's corect. But the density of states is often defined on a "per unit volume" basis. If that's what you need, how would you fix your result so that D(E)dE represents the number of states per unit volume with energy between E and E+dE?
 

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